@rennisaint1 The oww being used at the end disrupts this, however, as a driving force in me seeing this way was the music score underlining his "obsession" (or love?) with her, and I always saw the music being resumed as hes reminded of his feelings, and decides to go through with it
@rennisaint1 Also im not sure where your getting that Nikki used the oww to make him kill himself-- its not implicit what reall happened and from what I could find online the consensus is that entity Nikki used it to make him love the Wish Nikki as much as the Wish Nikki loved him
@rennisaint1 My point with all of this is that I think under the circumstances Bear acted as most people would-- perhaps characterized by cowardice, which we're exposed to from the start of the movie. He loved Nikki and, eventually, made the right decision
@Madmaddingcrowd He literally kills himself at the end of the movie to free her from the Wish. He's clearly in love with her wants her to *truly* love him. People taking an anti-niceguy take from the movie are projecting their inner contempt for meek men, or something idk I'm not a woman
@Lemon_ice_milk@lsdcuredme at the very start practicing confessing, in the montages, when they first kiss, etc. its showing Bear's deep desire (or Obsession..) with her, and its playing as he decides to take his life to free her, briefly stops when he panics and tries to throw up, then quickly plays again
@Lemon_ice_milk@lsdcuredme I just rewatched it and yes, your right, he does intentionally try to make himself throw up, but I think it makes the scene even more revealing of the other thread I wrote: throughout the movie, theres a music composition whenever Bear feels his love towards Nikki--
@Lemon_ice_milk@lsdcuredme it makes the character complex and interesting, but *everytime* in the movie he ends with the correct decision of wanting *true* love and not fake version with Wish Nikki
@Lemon_ice_milk@lsdcuredme he first asks if he can change the wish, but then asks "is it even real? Is her love real?" then quickly asks "Can I cancel it?" Bear is torn between realizing the love he's always wanted and the trueness of this love--
@lsdcuredme So yes, it is my individual experience that makes me struggle to see how he's super evil. Just as you are projecting things that weren't in the film at all onto Bear. When did he think he's too woke for misogyny? Or see women as nothing more than vessels for their own validation?
@lsdcuredme 100%. Art is subjective and how you understand it depends on your inner understanding of the world. The movie tries really hard to keep Bear a complex character and you minimizing his intent, projecting men you've encountered onto him, exposes the frame you see the world through
@skelllingtonhq Is it morally perfect? Absolutely not. But if you wished upon a star your crushed liked you back and they suddenly started to, and you had sex, would you consider that rape? To me, that classification minimizes the complicated aspects of the movie
@skelllingtonhq And he does learn as the movie progresses. But at the star he as a fairly innocent interpretation of the Wish: he doesn't understand that Nikki isn't Nikki and is trapped inside some entity-- he really believes that his wish worked and Nikki is in love with him.