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[Tathagata Roy @tathagata2]

Chandrashekhar Azad's mother died while begging on the streets of Shahjahanpur because some Congress members had branded her a traitor's mother. Some people in Shahjahanpur even claim that Nehru conspired to have Azad shot.

An Indian, Sobha Singh (father of the famous writer Khushwant Singh), appeared as an eyewitness against Bhagat Singh in a British court, a testimony that led to Bhagat Singh's execution. Later, the British honored Sobha Singh with the title of 'Sir'; he acquired vast tracts of land in Delhi in his name.
Kunj Bihari Thapar—grandfather of Karan Thapar and Romila Thapar—raised ₹1.75 lakh after his retirement for Michael O'Dwyer, the mastermind behind the Jallianwala Bagh massacre. He was honored with the title of 'Diwan Bahadur' and, in recognition of his loyalty, was made a Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE) in 1920.

Chimanlal Harilal Setalvad was the great-grandfather of civil rights activist and journalist Teesta Setalvad. A barrister, he served on the Hunter Commission, which gave a clean chit to Michael O'Dwyer regarding the Jallianwala Bagh massacre.
If there are 10,000 stories of bravery, there are just as many stories of betrayal.

[True Indology @TrueIndology]

In all Hindu literature, starting from 11h century to 20th century, from Kashmir to Kanyakumari, Muslim rulers were equated to Asuras and Rakshasas.

This idiot here claims hatred towards Mughals is colonial construct.

Here is Alberuni in 11th century saying Hindus carried "deeply rooted hatred against Muslims in their hearts" because Mahmud Ghanzavi "utterly destroyed India"

[Clear Cut Talks @clearcuttalks]

@thebose108 @RShivshankar Why are you scared of singing what speaks about the civilizational identity of this land? Did your appeasement of 1937 of truncation of vande mataram stop the partition? Then why hesitate in singing what it was written and supposed to be sung.

[News Algebra @NewsAlgebraIND]

Saba Pataudi, daughter of Sharmila Tagore -

"My mother Sharmila Tagore converted to Islam and guided us in Islam.

My religion is Islam and I feel spiritually connected to it.

I respect all religion. There was no temple and that there was no Hindu religion that we practiced in our family"

[Megh Updates 🚨™ @MeghUpdates]

A Dimagi Naxal is one who sees...

"Sahab" in Hafiz,

"Judicial killing" in Yakub Memon,

"Ji" in Osama,

"Messiah of Peace" in Zakir Naik,

"Daughter" in Ishrat Jahan,

"Misguided Youth" in Burhan Wani,

and in India's Army Chief, sees a "street thug."

[Megh Updates 🚨™ @MeghUpdates]

🚨 BIG REVELATION

Himanshi Khurana on alleged pressure to CONVERT by her ex-BF: “He wanted me to ACCEPT his religion, but I wasn’t willing. I was told, ‘You won’t be able to do puja after this.’ I thought, ‘Let me complete Char Dham & all temples first.’ It felt like saying GOODBYE to my Bhagwan.”

[Anand Ranganathan @ARanganathan72]

Here is poet Varavara Rao, accused of facilitating supply of M-4 guns and QLZ87 grenade launchers to Naxals, justifying and rationalising the cold-blooded murder of our brave Jawans. Supreme Court has granted him permanent bail on medical grounds.

The archetypal Dimagi Naxal.

[THE UNKNOWN MAN @Theunk5555]

😆😂🤣😅😅😅😅

[Anshul Saxena @AskAnshul]

"I was once under immense pressure from my ex-boyfriend, Asim Riaz, to convert to Islam. I was told "Ye pooja-paath ab nahi chalega" (These worship rituals will no longer be allowed).

I was on the verge of converting my religion. But before I did, I decided to visit Kinnaur Kailash Shivling. When I went there, I broke down in tears...and that was my turning point. My inner voice told me that, no matter what, I would not convert my religion." ~ Himanshi Khurana, Actress and Model.

[Anand Ranganathan @ARanganathan72]

Thanks @nethrapal ji for your response. In the interest of a helpful debate, here is my point by point rebuttal. Please excuse rough unstructured language as I’m writing while travelling:

(1) Fixed general seats vs adding extra seats.

You claim OBC reservation was done only by adding extra seats, so general seats never reduced. This is not wholly true and does not work presently at all. When 27% OBC quota started in central colleges after 2006, colleges were told to add more seats. Most colleges did not add enough seats. So the number of open (general) seats stayed almost the same or grew very slowly, while total seats increased. Once the percentage is fixed, every time total seats increase, reserved seats also increase automatically. Open seats stay only a fixed share, not a fixed number. The reform idea is not “never add seats.” It is to protect the open seats as a fixed minimum number that cannot be reduced. This is the only way to stop open seats from slowly shrinking forever. Talking about the old OBC expansion, that never was earnestly implemented, does not solve today’s problem.

(2) Creamy layer for SC/ST is “impossible”

You say courts and Bihar data prove creamy layer cannot apply to SC/ST. Well, the main idea is simple: Once a family has got good education, good income, good connections and good social position through reservation, their children should not keep getting the same benefit. Otherwise the still-poor people in the same caste get pushed aside. Bihar data does not change this idea. Creamy layer is not only about money. An IAS or IPS officer’s children get coaching, good schools, networks and advantages that a poor farmer’s children in the same caste do not get. Refusing to exclude them means the real poor keep losing the seats.

(3) “Even after creamy layer the ratio stays 50-50; elite capture is everywhere; officers’ kids study abroad”

You accept there is a problem but say it exists everywhere, so we should ignore it! Data clearly shows elite capture inside reserved groups. Rohini Commission found that 10 OBC castes took around 25% of all OBC seats. Many other OBC castes got almost nothing. The same thing happens inside SC and ST lists. The claim that most officers’ children study abroad and do not compete is not proved. Even if some go abroad, those who stay in India still have a big advantage. Lack of public data is not proof that the problem does not exist. It is a reason to collect the data and then apply the rule.

(4) “Only some sections take benefits but Yadavs and Cha**rs are still low in Group A jobs, so no change is needed”

Your argument says only top jobs matter and lower jobs do not count. That is incomplete. The same strong sub-castes already take most of the college seats and lower government jobs. These are the pipelines that lead to Group A jobs. Rohini Commission itself proved the problem is real for OBCs. The same logic applies to SC and ST lists. Parliament can add or remove communities from SC/ST lists under Articles 341 and 342. Just because no one has proposed removal yet does not mean the power does not exist. Courts have repeatedly said governments should use data to divide groups and exclude the advanced sections. Refusing to collect or use this data is a political choice, not a constitutional requirement.

(5) “Ambedkar’s 10-year limit was only for political seats; education and jobs are permanent; 2/3 majority is impossible”

The text of Article 334 is correct, the 10-year limit applied to seats in Parliament and Assemblies. Perhaps you missed that I myself mentioned this. Fact is Dr Ambedkar said reservation should be temporary, not permanent. Just because Articles 15(4) and 16(4) have no time limit does not mean reservation becomes a permanent group right forever. The argument that SC + ST + OBC numbers make it impossible to get 2/3 majority is an admission that the system now continues because of numbers, not because of remaining need. That is exactly why a better reform plan uses time limits, data checks and one-generation rules instead of waiting for a majority that will never come.

(6) “Fraud is higher in EWS and disability quotas; upper castes take fake certificates”

Fraud happens in every category and must be stopped. This does not mean we should ignore elite capture inside SC/ST/OBC categories. Pointing to EWS fraud is a way to change the topic and leave the real problem untouched. The solution is strict checking for everyone, not looking away from some groups.

(7) “One-generation or one-family limit is an American idea and should apply to all or to none”

The simple idea is this: After a family has used reservation to get education, a government job and social position, their children start from a better place. Giving them the same reservation again is no longer help for the disadvantaged. It becomes inherited advantage with a different name. Applying the generation rule only inside reserved categories makes sense because reservation itself is a special group benefit meant to be temporary. Asking for the same hard rule for every judge’s or MLA’s child is a different and much bigger debate about political dynasties. It does not mean we must drop the limited rule inside reservation.

(8) “One-time reservation is just a fancy idea; the goal is to fill top positions; lower cut-offs prove we still need the system”

The goal of creating a large pool of graduates and officers from these groups has already been largely achieved in absolute numbers. Keeping the same percentage forever after that turns a temporary ladder into a permanent parallel system. Lower EWS cut-offs in some exams happen because that category is poorly designed and often has few applicants. It does not prove that reserved-category candidates as a whole are still as disadvantaged as in 1950. Toppers from reserved categories are good and expected. But the entry marks are still systematically lower. This has real effects on quality in medicine, engineering and administration.

(9) “There is merit among SC/ST/OBC; mark differences are small”

No serious reform plan says there is zero merit in reserved categories. The real point is that average preparation levels and the cut-off marks are different. In important professional courses, those differences affect patient safety, engineering quality and government work. Praising individual toppers while ignoring the lower entry bar is not a defence of merit. It is a refusal to look at the full picture.

(10) Creamy layer has already reduced OBC share in Group A; empty seats should go to the poor

If creamy layer exclusion has reduced OBC numbers in Group A, that shows the rule is working as planned, benefits are moving toward the less advanced people. The right response is better implementation and sub-division of groups as Rohini Commission suggested, not dropping the rule. Empty reserved seats should be handled openly. The better way is to open them for general competition instead of creating more small sub-quotas that make the system even more complicated.

(11) Private sector, elite schools and DEI

It is true that SC/ST/OBC students are very few in top private schools and private universities. The solution is not forced caste quotas in private companies but targeted scholarships, early help for children, and strict non-creamy deployment of the existing seats. Copying American DEI language does not solve India’s real problems of elite capture inside groups and never-ending preference.

Thank you. WDTP

[Anand Ranganathan @ARanganathan72]

Reservations: Where We Came From, Where We Stand, What Must Change

My detailed analysis, featuring a five-point formula as an overarching solution acceptable to every rational Indian:

[Clear Cut Talks @clearcuttalks]

@Shehzad_Ind @ARanganathan72

[Shehzad Jai Hind @Shehzad_Ind]

वैसे कठिन दिनों में मेरी माँ ने मुझे पालते समय बहुत दिन तक घर में बर्तन स्वयं साफ़ किए और मुझे बताया भी कि कोई काम बड़ा छोटा नहीं है । न बर्तन न घर न फ़र्श की सफ़ाई। हर काम भगवान का रूप है ।
जो बर्तन साफ़ करते है मैं उनका भी सम्मान करता हूँ।

खैर भाजपा ने तो मुझे नाज़ और प्यार से कार्यालय में भोजन दिया एक परिवार की तरह।

और भाजपा ने कभी भी मेरे से ताहिर हुसैन जैसे आतंकी का character witness बनने के लिए नहीं कहा। यह चलन तो वन पे वन फ्री टाइप पार्टियों का होता है !

[THE SKIN DOCTOR @theskindoctor13]

One year since this audacity.

The victim is bedridden, disoriented, and surviving solely on support, fed through a Ryles tube and requiring round-the-clock nursing and specialized care just to stay alive.. As a family of four with only one earner, they’ve exhausted their savings and borrowed heavily to cover monthly medical bills running into lakhs. They are now crowdfunding, having received no support from the accused’s family.

Meanwhile, the accused is out on bail. The case drags on with long adjournments, and according to a post in r/jammu, the High Court has interim-stayed proceedings under Section 109 (attempt to murder), though I couldn't independently verify this.

What should have been an open-and-shut case will be dragged out for years. Once public memory fades and the family loses the spirit to fight, which they already have, the accused will walk away without consequences.

[Clear Cut Talks @clearcuttalks]

@AskAnshul I reported for an entire group - police promised to take action & nothing happened. Most of them didn't even understand what the issue was

[Clear Cut Talks @clearcuttalks]

@Royalsinghz3 What leftist? Where did she said so?

How is her opinion anywhere relevant? She doesn't hold any administrative or political power - it's BJP/Modi in charge of , right now.

[The Hawk Eye @thehawkeyex]

Captain Mandeep Singh made the supreme sacrifice during the Kargil War in 1999 for the nation.

26-Jul "Kargil Vijay Diwas": in remembrance of martyrs and to celebrate India's victory over Pakistan in the war.

Gurmehar Kaur: Cap Mandeep Singh's daughter, shocked everyone by making it a "war thing" and "not Pakistan" types of pseudo-intellectualism.

Remember (spl for this generation): it was Pakistan's regular army soldiers who intruded into India back then in 1999 and therefore India had to respond to push them back. This war was picked up by Pakistan.

Today, Gurmehar Kaur, would have been with the BJP, the NCP or any other party. But she is officially with Congress.

[rae @ChillamChilli]

Terrorist Umar Khalid supporting Terrorist Afzal Guru

This should go viral on Instagram

[Kashmiri Hindu @BattaKashmiri]

Ketaki Chitale spent more than 40 days in jail just for sharing a poem on social media criticizing Sharad Pawar.

But Modi is a Dictator because Cockroaches are being questioned for indulging in arson, violence and deepfake videos.

[Clear Cut Talks @clearcuttalks]

@MediaHarshVT @Wangchuk66 @GitanjaliAngmo Who has the power to make the changes? Gitanjali or BJP?