A lot of unsubstantiated claims here and even more red herring & strawmans than before 🤦🏿♂️. Repeatedly saying I downplayed responsibility doesn’t make it so. It’s just not true. I never denied responsibility, I denied your asymmetrical & biased application of it. I really do want to leave this topic alone but I’ll respond to this, perhaps as my final say (at the conclusion of this particular engagement):
1. I’d appreciate it if you can provide the takhrīj where they authenticated the riwāyāt you mentioned. That makes more sense than saying they consider it “Hassanah”. Where you might be confused is in scholarly lingo where the meaning or indication of even the weakest narrations can still be sound. It doesn’t mean one can use that trope esp with a direct attribution to Allaah and his messenger. Saying “the hadith is in line with the innate disposition of displeasure at divorce” is different than saying the Hadith is authentic. Quite important distinction. Of course I acknowledge the difficulty & displeasure of a divorce. No one prays for it, but it’s a reality of life that can be a legitimate option with the legitimacy not having anything to do with the “uprightness” of a man in the sense I’ve argued earlier. Again, same can be said of polygamy, whether you like it or not, in the sense of the hurt and difficulty it usually foments on women.
2. Comparing polygyny and divorce in some aspects doesn’t mean one is equating them 1:1. That’s the strawman fallacy I keep pointing out. It isn’t about being a wordsmith, it’s about accurately representing the argument being made. There are definite aspects of comparison nevertheless: the permissibility asl (with similar room to change according to circumstances), the “build up” for both (yes, both & next point explains it), and the caveats. In these relevant (to the discourse) aspects, they share similarities. It’s like saying it’s invalid to compare fufu and eba because they aren’t identical, when all one has said is that they are both swallow & go well with okro soup. It’s a moot point. I even went the extra step to repeatedly qualify my comparisons with “in that sense” precisely so nobody would mistake it for a one-to-one equation. It’s there for all to see.
3. Polygyny isn’t a decision to be made willy-nilly either, just like divorce isn’t (I’ve already addressed comparison criticism & why it’s incorrect so I hope we don’t repeat that here). It comes with legislative restrictions, conditions, responsibilities and consequences too. It also doesn’t “begin” with permissibility in the sense you’re presenting. That reflects a lack of grasp of nusūs. Viewing the text in a strict linear manner is not correct, that فان خفتم ألا تعدلوا came latter doesn’t mean ‘adl, alongside other capacity measurements, isn’t required prior to polygyny just like consultation, arbitration etc should precede a dissolution. Btw, I never disputed those steps, so I don’t get the relevance of bringing that up. The existence of process, caveats or wisdom around a legislation doesn’t change its asl as a legitimate option when its conditions are met, again conditions you’re trying to restrict beyond what the sharī’ah does. That was the point being made.
4. My biggest gripe, whole point and the thing I honestly don’t understand the most is the dressing up of one while poisoning the well for the other, while trying to present oneself unbiased & twisting the sharī’ah to that end. The sheer amount of effort that goes into rhetorically elevating one legislated option while burdening the other with emotionally loaded language. That’s classic narrative peddling. If we are talking about a particular case where we can point to how it’s handled, then that’s different. But to characterize one thing glowingly and demonize the other, in a general address, is hypocrisy, very far from knowledge & understanding of the Islamic sciences, esp as it affects social sensibilities.
Comments under this post are quite interesting..
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As if we aren’t Nigerians..
Very interesting comments, quotes and opinions..
MY TAKE:-
“I hear say Seyi Tinubu get older sister?
Is it true? Make we go see her too abeg!
With what I am seeing here, be like na Remi Tinubu I go pay courtesy visit to next
I post the meeting as we attended, Finance Ministry and Budget Office pipu begin call
Appointees begin call Dey ask me for tracking numbers of our memo
MRTF don Dey move go IPPIS
I even got an invite for a meeting on Wednesday and Thursday
Even one recalcitrant CMD don collect summon to sort matters
Let those who feel this is a problem continue to ventilate. It is expected
I hope we can separate our politics from the need to solve problems that have lingered for more than 5 years
What’s surprising me is that we all know these problems were there for years. Past leaders have strike, Past leaders have advocate, e no work
Now we have a balance of strike and advocacy that is working
Anyway, allow pipu ventilate sha
P-MUS don go Dey talk to their political arc enemy
P-MUS go stand solve problems oh
You see all NOC members, U see a Minister in the gathering relaying the message from the President himself, ur problem is Seyi Tinubu
Something that was even recommended by the DSS, one person Dey here Dey call us ‘nonesense’
Abeg if alert land, make all who hate Seyi Tinubu return their own abeg
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I remain my humble self
P-MUS of NARD
Garkuwan Matasan NARD
@oIaiton@OdunTheGeneral It's not doubt the pragmatic thing to do. If I were in his shoes, I'd probably do the same thing. My fear is that legitimizing usurpers like ST is terrible in the long run. We just can't make it this way.
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In this era, shame is the main militating factor against fame and wealth.
Gratefully (but unfortunately, in some instances), some people are still plagued with shame.