I urge everyone to understand that the Post Tribulation Rapture doctrine misappropriates prophecies intended for Israel. Some might argue that the church comprises both Jews and Gentiles, but this perspective overlooks the insights found in Paul's epistles. The church is a spiritual body with Christ as the Head, and we are the spiritual descendants of Abraham. In contrast, Israel represents the physical lineage of Abraham, the 12 Tribes, who were promised a physical kingdom. God assured Abraham's descendants land stretching from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates (Genesis 15:18), encompassing parts of Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Kuwait—totaling over 300,000 square miles. Israel only partially inherited this land under Joshua and Solomon, but full possession will occur in the Millennial Kingdom (Ezekiel 47:13-21).
The New Jerusalem, or the Eternal City, is described in Revelation 21:16-17 (KJV) as follows: “And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.”
Key Measurements:
- Size: 12,000 furlongs (approximately 1,500 miles or 2,400 km) in length, width, and height, forming a perfect cube.
- Wall Thickness: 144 cubits (216 feet or 65 meters thick).
This magnificent city will descend from Heaven as the dwelling place of God and His redeemed people (Revelation 21:2-3). Do you truly believe God orchestrated all of this, knowing Israel would reject Christ? Daniel received a vision from God about 500 years before Jesus, foretelling His crucifixion and the subsequent period for Jesus to call out His church. Then, Israel would endure the tribulation for rejecting Christ and other past transgressions. Zechariah 13:8-9 (KJV) speaks of God refining Israel through fire:
“And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.”
When proponents of the post-tribulation view claim we must be purged and endure to the end, avoiding the mark of the beast, they overlook that this process is meant for Israel to enter their Kingdom.
Key Points:
- Two-thirds of Israel will perish during the Tribulation.
- One-third will be refined like silver and gold, symbolizing God’s faithful remnant.
- This purification leads to repentance and restoration, where they finally recognize Jesus as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10).
This verse aligns with Malachi 3:2-3, which also portrays God as a refiner’s fire, purging and purifying Israel. The Tribulation is intended for Israel and unbelievers.
People suffering in hell will have different punishments depending on their sins. He will not punish you more than you deserve. If you reject God and Christ's sacrifice for your sins, how do you expect to go to heaven? It's as simple as believing, but people would rather love the world than love God.
So you can live any way you want? We were created by God for His pleasure; it's His world and you were born in sin, already destined for hell. Yet your loving God, the creator of everything, becomes a man to willingly lay down His life for you so you can go to heaven. So you reject His sacrifice for your sins and have no other way but through Him. Your pride sends you to hell. The world doesn't need you., he will take out the trash to protect his own.
@BryceMLipscomb It was God's will for Christ to die; He foreordained it to happen. That's why the church was a secret revealed only to Paul, so Satan didn't know Christ's death would bring salvation to the Gentiles, or he would not have influenced the Jews to kill Him.
@TheBelieverJC If not its close to it
Pagan Star (Rephan / Moloch) vs. Star of David
Pagan Star — connected to Amos 5:26 & Acts 7:43 connected to amos
• The pagan star was used in idolatry (Moloch / Chiun / Rephan).
• The Bible condemns that star
Read Revelation 17-18. It is the Catholic Church that will create the one world religion for the Antichrist. Uniting islam Judaism and Catholicism in one religion. God will destroy her with an earthquake and fire. It is the whore of Babylon, the harlot religion, from which all the false teachings come. Replacement theology, preterism, and amillennialism are all false doctrines that God hates.
For a Rabbi, you don't know shit just like the Pharisees in Jesus's time; Christ made a fool of them. You yourself should know Matthew 24:31 is for Israel; the angels are called reapers who gather the living to the sheep and goat judgment. There cannot be a rapture at this time because raptured bodies cannot have children, so how would you repopulate in the millennium? The Old Testament saints are raptured as Jesus gathers them in the wilderness at Moses's Grave and escorts them to Jerusalem. Read Rev 19; the church is already in heaven before Christ comes down. The church has a heavenly destiny, and Israel has an earthly kingdom.
THE RAPTURE TRUMPET vs. THE REVELATION TRUMPETS
STOP MIXING THEM UP. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.
THE RAPTURE TRUMPET — GOD CALLS HIS CHURCH UP
The Trumpet of God is not an angel blast.
It’s God’s own voice calling His people OUT before judgment falls.
Only believers hear it.
It brings resurrection, transformation, and evacuation.
Grace. Rescue. Departure.
THE REVELATION TRUMPETS — ANGELS UNLEASH WRATH
The seven trumpets in Revelation are NOT God’s voice.
They are blown by ANGELS, and every blast is judgment.
Fire. Blood. Poisoned waters. Demonic torment. Global death.
The whole world suffers.
Wrath. Destruction. Collapse.
SIDE‑BY‑SIDE TRUTH
• Rapture Trumpet — God calls His church UP.
• Revelation Trumpets — Angels pour judgment DOWN.
THE HARD LINE
One trumpet saves you.
Seven trumpets judge the world you’re no longer in.
Stop blending them. Stop confusing them.
The Rapture trumpet is God’s voice.
The Revelation trumpets are angelic war blasts.
Different purpose. Different audience. Different timeline.
@mikeautoplug It was God's plan for Christ to die; the Jews fulfilled the prophecies. The church was the plan from the beginning; we were foreordained before the world was. So replacement theology is a heresy.
@sola_chad Yes because at the end in Rev 22:18-20 God said that you cannot add to Revelation or take any words from it or your name is taken out of the book of life.Jesus testified to it .
According to the bible Jesus' ministry was primarily directed to the Jews. He specifically told the apostles He came for the Twelve Tribes. It's important to note that He did not preach salvation by faith alone or the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which is crucial for the Rapture—a concept revealed solely to Paul to teach.
Many have been misled to believe that Matthew 24:31 refers to the rapture, despite the fact that during that time, there was no church, no Christians, and Christ had not yet sacrificed his life. Jesus was teaching about the gospel of the millennial kingdom to orthodox Jews, who were unaware of the inclusion of Gentiles in salvation. The Bible clearly states that the church was a mystery not disclosed to the Old Testament prophets. Even the apostles were unaware of Jesus's impending crucifixion; they attempted to stop his apprehension in the garden and doubted his resurrection. Thus, it’s improbable that Jesus taught about the rapture before the crucifixion. In John 14:1-3, he revealed that he would take the believers to Heaven. Jesus experienced the rapture, which involves receiving a transformed body to ascend to heaven and achieve immortality. The church will dwell in Heaven in the New Jerusalem, while some will reign on Earth with Christ. Israel is referred to as the elect, and the sheep and goat judgment involves angels gathering the living for judgment to determine who will enter the earthly kingdom. Enoch and Elijah experienced the rapture, also known as glorification with Christ. Revelation 19:14 depicts the church in heaven, clad in white fine linen, symbolizing the saints accompanying Christ back to Earth. There is no biblical basis for the necessity of enduring tribulation to reach Heaven; it's a trial for unbelievers. "Enduring to the end" refers to maintaining faith and resisting the mark. If that were true, then what of the Christians who died before the tribulation? Would they be denied Heaven? Replacement theology is a false teaching. Suggesting that God discards the Jews because Christ was crucified, fulfilling God's plan, ignores the truth. God foresaw this rejection and facilitated salvation for Gentiles. Genesis and Deuteronomy's Tower of Babel story highlights how God formed Israel after Gentiles were handed over to fallen angels for lack of faith. Reconciliation to God is intended for all. It's surprising how few Christians recognize that Abraham and Sarah, at nearly a century old and childless Gentiles, were supernaturally blessed by God with Isaac, marking the start of the Jewish race. Please, delve into your Bible for deeper understanding.
The Bible doesn’t name 1948 directly — but several prophecies describe Israel becoming a nation again suddenly, in one day, and these verses are widely connected to the modern rebirth of Israel on May 14, 1948.
Isaiah 66:8
“Who hath heard such a thing? … Shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.”
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Why it’s used: Israel became a nation in a single day — May 14, 1948 — exactly matching the “born at once” language.
Isaiah 11:11–12
“The Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people… and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”
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Why it’s used: Jews returned from all nations, not just Babylon — fitting the worldwide regathering before 1948.
Ezekiel 37:21–22
“I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen… and bring them into their own land. And I will make them one nation in the land…”
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Why it’s used: After nearly 2,000 years scattered, Israel became one nation again in 1948.
Ezekiel 36:24
“For I will take you from among the heathen… and will bring you into your own land.”
Why it’s used: Direct promise of return from the nations into the land — fulfilled in the modern aliyah leading to 1948.
Isaiah 66:8
Because Israel literally became a nation in one day, this verse is the strongest prophetic parallel.