Just finished writing this and this is def a good place to post it.
Explaining propaganda
Trump and Elon frequently make false statements.
—> This is a fact.
Yet consistently evade accountability.
—> Why?
They employ a calculated strategy known as propaganda to convince people of their claims, regardless of the truth.
Propaganda involves crafting a compelling narrative and repeating it relentlessly until it gains widespread acceptance, even if it’s fabricated. Hyperbolae’s like “Crooked Biden” “Golden Era” and “Make America Great Again” are like a chant to the willing and wanting to believe it (I call them the indoctrinated).
Here’s how they pull it off: Trump might assert, “I won the election by a landslide!” despite allllllll evidence to the contrary. He reiterates it with unwavering conviction, and his supporters amplify the message through rallies and online platforms. Memes.
Similarly, Musk might declare, “My company will revolutionize the world with flying cars soon!” even if the technology isn’t feasible yet. His confident delivery and high-profile status inspire trust and enthusiasm among his audience. Or claim blah million people over 120 years are collecting SS even though it’s been proven that fraud is not possible. And his data was incorrectly framed holding no water.
Their success in dodging consequences stems from their mastery of presentation. They project authority, use straightforward messaging that resonates, and leverage vast networks of followers who disseminate their claims across media channels. This creates an illusion of consensus, making their assertions seem credible despite the lack of evidence. And so they believe it. And demonize the other side, because the propaganda also constantly generates the idea that all problems are the result of whatever party has different ideologies- rallying the masses of the indoctrinated to boot as they call the opposition, not democracy as it upholds many views, but evil as part of divisive the art.
Historical parallels like Hitler and modern Russia illustrate these tactics. During his reign in Nazi Germany, Hitler peddled falsehoods like, “We’re superior, and others threaten us!” He weaponized propaganda through bombastic speeches and pervasive media—posters, radio, films—until the lies took hold as perceived truth. He manipulated emotions, blending national pride with fear, to secure loyalty. As do Elon and Trump. Replace Jews with immigrants and Muslims.
In contemporary Russia, the government employs a similar playbook. Leaders might proclaim, “We’re invincible, and the West is weak!” despite contradicting realities. State-controlled media repeats the narrative incessantly, drowning out dissent and shaping public perception. It’s a deliberate distortion of reality, sustained by repetition and control.
And when these leaders begin to attempt to control the media (look around) they can really get going.
Trump and Elons methods echo these principles and practices to a tee. They deliver exaggerated or unfounded claims with boldness, tapping into their audiences desires (buy in to generate faith) and emotions (fear of enemy drives animosity and common enemies bring people together in a fear-hate massively loyalty producing bond.
Their charisma and reach make realities unimportant and their narratives stick.
Propaganda, at its core, isn’t about facts. - it’s about dominating the conversation, and rallying enough believers to render the truth utterly lost or at least secondary.
@Midge1415@Mollyploofkins When people come up with the things they say I honestly assume it says more about them as they tend to draw on what they know.
- sorry if that’s hard to hear.
@EdKrassen Heartlessly.
All these societies older than ours with religious faith and we swoop in - and desecrate the lives lost and Palestinians displaced. With no remorse.
Entitlement for breakfast and a cup of propaganda to make it go down is frightenly our world increasingly
55 claims by DOGE that have been proven misleading, false, or are challenged by a complete lack of evidence.
1/3
1. Billions in Savings from Terminated Contracts
- Many of these contracts were already budgeted for, or the savings were overstated. Transparency on how these savings were calculated always lacking.
2. Fraudulent Treasury Payments
- No evidence was provided to support claims that Treasury payment officers approved payments to known fraudulent or terrorist groups.
3. FEMA Spending on Luxury Hotels for Migrants
- The hotels were not luxury, and the funds were part of broader disaster relief efforts, not specifically for housing migrants in luxury.
4. USAID Funding for Condoms in Gaza
- This claim was later acknowledged by Musk to be incorrect.
5. Billions in Fraud and Waste
- The figures on social media and official statements did not match, and some savings were attributed to proposed cuts that were not implemented, like NIH overhead payments.
6. Claims of Transparency
- The DOGE website initially had little to no substantive content, and many actions lacked detailed documentation or were vague.
7. Specific Contract Terminations
- Some contracts were already spent, not canceled as claimed, or the savings were significantly less than reported.
8. Wasteful Spending on Office Supplies
- No comprehensive audits or detailed records were provided to back up these claims, often relying on anecdotal evidence.
9. Overpayment for Common Services
- These claims were often based on singular instances rather than a systemic review, lacking broader context or comparison.
10. Redundant Government Programs
- Often lacked clear evidence or analysis on how these programs were duplicative or unnecessary, with some programs having distinct goals or audiences.
11. Excessive Travel Expenses
- These claims were sometimes exaggerated, not reflecting actual policy or practice, or lacked comprehensive data.
12. Consulting Fees
- Often based on isolated high-cost contracts rather than a thorough analysis of consulting expenditures across the government.
13. IT System Overcharges
- These assertions were not supported by full audits or comparisons with industry standards, often missing the complexity of government IT needs.
14. Unnecessary Government Buildings
- Claims were sometimes unsubstantiated or based on partial information without considering long-term needs or strategic planning.
15. Waste in Defense Procurement
- Oversimplification ignored the complex nature of military procurement, including security requirements and the lifecycle of defense equipment.
16. Cost of Government Conferences
- Lacked context on the necessity of these events or their cost-effectiveness in terms of policy development or training.
17. Subsidies and Grants
- Often lacked detail on how these were assessed as wasteful, ignoring broader economic or social benefits.
18. Energy Efficiency Projects
- These criticisms often overlooked long-term savings or environmental benefits.
19. Healthcare Spending
- Based on selective examples rather than a systemic review of healthcare expenditure.
Today I witnessed the impact of propaganda… as discussed in the below post - it has power
I’m eating in my classroom with a student. It was quiet, chill.
He finished and got up, standing in front of my world map, thinking his thoughts.
After a bit, some questions.
hey. Is that us?
Yeah, that… and Alaska over there and Hawaii.
Is that Canada?
Yeah
… thinking… pointing….
And Greenland?
Yeah
Do people live there?
yes
Can we take or buy it?
I don’t think Greenland is being sold. I’m pretty sure they’re good as they are.
……..moving on…….Looking at Canada more
It’s so big….
….They don’t need all of this. They should be the 51st state, we can have it. They don’t need at that land. We should take it.
- What would you do with it?
I don’t know. We need it…(pause) I would take it.
….. And that there. What’s that?
Russia.
More discussion on size, do people live there and areas largely unpopulated in these countries. And the conversation includes Mexico briefly.
……more thought follows
They (Russia) have a lot of land too.
- Oh, so we’re not getting that
Why?
Because they are considered a superpower. Like us and China; and have many weapons. They are not giving it up.
Why can’t we nuke them.
- Not just nuclear bombs. There are a lot of dangerous weapons.
Well. How much damage does a nuc do? Can we use it?
Answered that one by brief explanation of global risks and fallout from various weapons that are conceivable in a brief truncated way. Moral - best to try and avoid such things.
He was focused, calm, intrigued.
Thinking.
Wonder where he got this from. This notion of
—— No reason, just ours.
It is pretty glaring. Propaganda works
Just finished writing this and this is def a good place to post it.
Explaining propaganda
Trump and Elon frequently make false statements.
—> This is a fact.
Yet consistently evade accountability.
—> Why?
They employ a calculated strategy known as propaganda to convince people of their claims, regardless of the truth.
Propaganda involves crafting a compelling narrative and repeating it relentlessly until it gains widespread acceptance, even if it’s fabricated. Hyperbolae’s like “Crooked Biden” “Golden Era” and “Make America Great Again” are like a chant to the willing and wanting to believe it (I call them the indoctrinated).
Here’s how they pull it off: Trump might assert, “I won the election by a landslide!” despite allllllll evidence to the contrary. He reiterates it with unwavering conviction, and his supporters amplify the message through rallies and online platforms. Memes.
Similarly, Musk might declare, “My company will revolutionize the world with flying cars soon!” even if the technology isn’t feasible yet. His confident delivery and high-profile status inspire trust and enthusiasm among his audience. Or claim blah million people over 120 years are collecting SS even though it’s been proven that fraud is not possible. And his data was incorrectly framed holding no water.
Their success in dodging consequences stems from their mastery of presentation. They project authority, use straightforward messaging that resonates, and leverage vast networks of followers who disseminate their claims across media channels. This creates an illusion of consensus, making their assertions seem credible despite the lack of evidence. And so they believe it. And demonize the other side, because the propaganda also constantly generates the idea that all problems are the result of whatever party has different ideologies- rallying the masses of the indoctrinated to boot as they call the opposition, not democracy as it upholds many views, but evil as part of divisive the art.
Historical parallels like Hitler and modern Russia illustrate these tactics. During his reign in Nazi Germany, Hitler peddled falsehoods like, “We’re superior, and others threaten us!” He weaponized propaganda through bombastic speeches and pervasive media—posters, radio, films—until the lies took hold as perceived truth. He manipulated emotions, blending national pride with fear, to secure loyalty. As do Elon and Trump. Replace Jews with immigrants and Muslims.
In contemporary Russia, the government employs a similar playbook. Leaders might proclaim, “We’re invincible, and the West is weak!” despite contradicting realities. State-controlled media repeats the narrative incessantly, drowning out dissent and shaping public perception. It’s a deliberate distortion of reality, sustained by repetition and control.
And when these leaders begin to attempt to control the media (look around) they can really get going.
Trump and Elons methods echo these principles and practices to a tee. They deliver exaggerated or unfounded claims with boldness, tapping into their audiences desires (buy in to generate faith) and emotions (fear of enemy drives animosity and common enemies bring people together in a fear-hate massively loyalty producing bond.
Their charisma and reach make realities unimportant and their narratives stick.
Propaganda, at its core, isn’t about facts. - it’s about dominating the conversation, and rallying enough believers to render the truth utterly lost or at least secondary.
@wyrdtrtle@EdKrassen Constructive
Maybe just more of the result of its effectiveness.
Constructive would include: is there something you feel I said that to you is incorrect and why.
I couldn’t agree or sympathize more.
In my mind all of my posts if you read them - are explaining the horror show we are seeing. And calling it as much.
That this is what my student learned to think on - kid got it clearly from the media of our world - was not a moment I would have preferred ever meeting
But is shows pretty well doesn’t it how deeply effective the propaganda works that I described above.
Hope more people read it that can see it and even a little course correct.
For my student - he had not one reason he felt these were good ideas.
And for no reason he is aware of,
He does think they have a lot of land. Do nothing for us. And we should take it.
Now I wasn’t expecting anyone to say what they think the motives are on trumps end but I def think like my student you are simplifying. There are additional strategic economic benefits Trump seeks I am certain. And like my student for him taking is feasible as an idea - and let’s pray not as a reality.
Today I really saw the depth of how well, the impact of propaganda as discussed above, works.
Eating in my classroom with an, 8th grader per necessity. It was a chill part of the day. We are good quiet or talking. A little quiet as we are. He’s an interesting kid, def a unique one doing his own thing in an age group where that barely exists. Kids already his own person.
Anyways.
He finished eating and got up, went to look at my world map. Looked a bit, and thinking his thoughts.
And after a bit, he had questions.
🤔 Is that us?
✔️ Yeah, that… and Alaska over there and Hawaii.
🤔 Is that Canada?
✔️ Yeah
… thinking
🤔 And Greenland?
✔️ Yeah
🤔 Do people live there?
✔️ yes
🧐 Can we take or buy it?
✔️ I don’t think Greenland is being sold. I’m prettier sure they are good as they are.
……..Looking at Canada more
🧐 It’s so big. They don’t need all of this. They should be the 51st state and we should have it. They don’t need at that land. We should take it.
✔️What would you do with it?
🧐 I don’t know. We need it…(pause) I would take it.
….. 🤔 And that there. What’s that?
✔️Russia.
More discussion on size, do people live there and areas largely unpopulated in these countries. And the conversation includes Mexico briefly.
……more thought follows
🤔 They (Russia) have a lot of land too.
✔️ Oh we’re not getting that
🧐 Why not?
✔️ Because they are considered a superpower. Like us and China they have many weapons. Not just nuclear bombs. There are a lot of agents of war now. And they, like us, are not going to let somebody take their land.
🤔 Well. How much damage does a nuc do? Can we use it?
Answered that one by brief explanation of global risks and fallout from various weapons that are conceivable in a brief truncated way. Moral - best or to take war weapons out to play.
He was focused. Calm. A little intrigued.
Thinking about these things.
Just finished writing this and this is def a good place to post it.
Explaining propaganda
Trump and Elon frequently make false statements.
—> This is a fact.
Yet consistently evade accountability.
—> Why?
They employ a calculated strategy known as propaganda to convince people of their claims, regardless of the truth.
Propaganda involves crafting a compelling narrative and repeating it relentlessly until it gains widespread acceptance, even if it’s fabricated. Hyperbolae’s like “Crooked Biden” “Golden Era” and “Make America Great Again” are like a chant to the willing and wanting to believe it (I call them the indoctrinated).
Here’s how they pull it off: Trump might assert, “I won the election by a landslide!” despite allllllll evidence to the contrary. He reiterates it with unwavering conviction, and his supporters amplify the message through rallies and online platforms. Memes.
Similarly, Musk might declare, “My company will revolutionize the world with flying cars soon!” even if the technology isn’t feasible yet. His confident delivery and high-profile status inspire trust and enthusiasm among his audience. Or claim blah million people over 120 years are collecting SS even though it’s been proven that fraud is not possible. And his data was incorrectly framed holding no water.
Their success in dodging consequences stems from their mastery of presentation. They project authority, use straightforward messaging that resonates, and leverage vast networks of followers who disseminate their claims across media channels. This creates an illusion of consensus, making their assertions seem credible despite the lack of evidence. And so they believe it. And demonize the other side, because the propaganda also constantly generates the idea that all problems are the result of whatever party has different ideologies- rallying the masses of the indoctrinated to boot as they call the opposition, not democracy as it upholds many views, but evil as part of divisive the art.
Historical parallels like Hitler and modern Russia illustrate these tactics. During his reign in Nazi Germany, Hitler peddled falsehoods like, “We’re superior, and others threaten us!” He weaponized propaganda through bombastic speeches and pervasive media—posters, radio, films—until the lies took hold as perceived truth. He manipulated emotions, blending national pride with fear, to secure loyalty. As do Elon and Trump. Replace Jews with immigrants and Muslims.
In contemporary Russia, the government employs a similar playbook. Leaders might proclaim, “We’re invincible, and the West is weak!” despite contradicting realities. State-controlled media repeats the narrative incessantly, drowning out dissent and shaping public perception. It’s a deliberate distortion of reality, sustained by repetition and control.
And when these leaders begin to attempt to control the media (look around) they can really get going.
Trump and Elons methods echo these principles and practices to a tee. They deliver exaggerated or unfounded claims with boldness, tapping into their audiences desires (buy in to generate faith) and emotions (fear of enemy drives animosity and common enemies bring people together in a fear-hate massively loyalty producing bond.
Their charisma and reach make realities unimportant and their narratives stick.
Propaganda, at its core, isn’t about facts. - it’s about dominating the conversation, and rallying enough believers to render the truth utterly lost or at least secondary.
One of my students, 8th was eating with me in our classroom. It was an unusually quiet moment. He’s an interesting kid.
He got up and was looking around at my world map. For some time, focusing, thinking his thoughts.
And he had questions.
🤔 Is that us?
✔️ Yeah that and Alaska.
🤔 Is that Canada?
✔️ Yeah
🤔 And Greenland?
✔️ Yeah
🤔 Do people live there?
✔️ people definitely live there.
🧐 Can we buy it?
✔️ I don’t think Greenland is being sold. I’m prettier sure they are good with any offer.
……..Looking at Canada more
🧐 It’s so big. They don’t need all of this. They should be the 51st state and we should have it. They don’t need at that land. We should take it.
✔️What would you do with it?
🧐 I don’t know. We need it…(pause) I would take it.
….. 🤔 And that there. What’s that?
✔️Russia.
More discussion on size, do people live there and areas largely unpopulated in these countries. And the conversation includes Mexico briefly.
……more thought follows
🤔 They (Russia) have a lot of land too.
✔️ Oh we’re not getting that
🧐 Why not?
✔️ Because they are considered a superpower. Like us and China they have many weapons. Not just nuclear bombs. There are a lot of agents of war now. And they, like us, are not going to let somebody take their land.
🤔 Well. How much damage does a nuc do? Can we use it?
Answered that one by brief explanation of global risks when wars with massive destruction are taken out.
He was truly focused. Calm. Thinking about these thing. He definitely felt intrigued and entitled.