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[. @dabke036]

@Alghisi_F @fawzydawah that is just not true tho, why are you lying on our beliefs lmao. i think this argument is just going over your head honestly. idk how you dont understand that the word "begetting" or "coming forth" in its nature implies time, so we're asking how is this meaningful devoid of time

[. @dabke036]

@Anglo_Sanctus @fawzydawah wow man notice how you cant engage with the substance and just go to insulting. speaks to ur intelligence ig. are these the fruits of christianity?

[. @dabke036]

@Alghisi_F @fawzydawah quran as an act of speech of Allah is temporally originated. anyway there is nothing to refute about the points you made because ur just restating your position over and over again, you're not actually explaining how coming forth can have meaning without time when it implies time

[. @dabke036]

@Anglo_Sanctus @fawzydawah i just said it doesnt apply but it flew over your head, so either steelman my doctrine, respond to the question of the poster, or js shut up

[. @dabke036]

@Anglo_Sanctus @fawzydawah you cant critique a position you dont even understand 😭😭😭. maybe answer the posters question before you go critique other people's faiths

[. @dabke036]

@Anglo_Sanctus @fawzydawah ur so slow, im saying its not analygous bc you dont even understand our position. we dont even believe that the quran is eternal and the screenshot you gave actually refutes you but you're so clueless that you dont even realize that.

[. @dabke036]

@roma_c_m @fawzydawah brother, if you're saying the priority of the subject in relation to the predicate is ontologically grounded then you've just conceded to ontic priority lmao

[. @dabke036]

@roma_c_m @fawzydawah It doesnt have to be caused into being to be ontologically dependent. ur saying that knowledge subsists in God and God is prior to his knowledge then his knowledge is gonna be dependent on Him. also ur switching to conceptual priority when you say ontic ordering before

[. @dabke036]

@Alghisi_F @fawzydawah we believe that the quran is temporally originated, do you believe that jesus is temporally originated? brother appealing to the quran is not gonna get you out of this the question is about the intelligibility of atemporal begetting, you've failed to address that.

[. @dabke036]

@roma_c_m @fawzydawah you're saying it doesnt have to do with ontological dependence but you're describing an ontological dependence. Also in terms of the predicates, that just has to do with the grammar of the sentence, that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation.

[. @dabke036]

@roma_c_m @fawzydawah asymmetrical dependence, aka Gods knowledge depends on God and God doesnt depend on His knowledge.

[. @dabke036]

@Alghisi_F @fawzydawah bruh
"2. Is (eternally) begotten/Comes forth/originates from Him"

you're begging the question here, you're already assuming that you've meaningfully explained what atemporal begetting is. you still didnt address my question, actually try to address it instead of this poetry.

[. @dabke036]

@roma_c_m @fawzydawah that doesnt mean its prior 😭😭😭

[. @dabke036]

@Alghisi_F @fawzydawah i need to explain how you DIDNT address my point?????😭😭😭. aight bro lemme js ask it again, how does coming forth have any meaning, devoid of any temporal process when the phrase "coming forth" already implies temporality.

[. @dabke036]

@ThatGuy77811414 @Fearless__Truth he's done barely any but ye

[. @dabke036]

@roma_c_m @fawzydawah God isnt logically prior to his knowledge.....

[. @dabke036]

@Anglo_Sanctus @fawzydawah 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️omg, you're way out of your depth, tell me, what does dhatiyah and fi'liyyah mean.

[. @dabke036]

@Alghisi_F @fawzydawah nice man you literally didnt address anything i said

[. @dabke036]

@GunnerPuls Robert Sánchez?

[. @dabke036]

@vult_dues one being/God implies one person, thats what bare monotheism is. nobody will speculate a "multipersonal god" whatever the hell that gibberish means when God says that he is one. The only reason you even believe in person-being distinction is because you have to.