Daniel

Disciple of Jesus. Broad interests aligning studied disciplines of theoretical physics, philosophy & theology. Baptist (reformed views). Small group ministry.

[Daniel @danlaynd]

@TheBuzzwrecker @JayDyer @ReachRoysReport @WesleyLHuff While disagreeing with some points of orthodoxy I don't have an issue with orthodoxy.

I have an issue with orthobro movement that huffs and puffs as silly peacocks...

[Daniel @danlaynd]

@1984enjoyer @Solidussbu1 @abdulafandii It is funny that you insist on digging yourself deeper and deeper 😅

Go re-read conversation and you will see how rediculous your comments were...

I'm not a Muslim and never been one...

[Daniel @danlaynd]

1. Your version of history is rejected by conservative solid Christians as liberal apostates slop not worthy of any consideration. In other words idea you are spewing is a load of crap to put it bluntly.

2. Sorry assuming I can have a civil conversation with a follower of a crossderssing, genitilia sniffing pedophile with Al zutted behind...

Surely cannot expect anything better from such a wicked cultist.

It was my bad throwing pearls before such a pig as you.

[Daniel @danlaynd]

@1984enjoyer @Solidussbu1 @abdulafandii Do you know why reading is important?

Because then you can engage with what was said instead of making a complete fool of yourself 😅

[Daniel @danlaynd]

See, Muhhamad led you to believe that it is the same revealed word of God, is it not?..

Because, according to Muhhamad, the problem was not with the word of God, but with Christians corrupting it...

And that's where the issue resides. Corruption means there are passages rewritten, added, forgotten, etc...

Taking into account that, scientifically speaking, so far no one can produce evidence of this corruption, unless one wants to claim that a few misreadings here and there are the whole extent of this corruption... And let me tell you that is not what Mohhamad meant by corruption. He thought most of the Scriptures were lost and forgotten.

But then what do you do with the Old Testament? Before Qumran (Dead Sea Scrolls), the oldest manuscripts of the OT were from the 600s and later, around the time of Mohhamad, so yes, it was harder to prove they hadn't changed because corroborating evidence existed mostly in NT references and writings by early church writers. But when the Qumran find was discovered, the OT proved to be the same as later editions; how does one spin corruption by Christians' story in light of this evidence?

And if the OT is not corrupted, then it is automatically part of Islamic scriptures, and one has to reconcile stories in the Quran that contradict the OT...

[Daniel @danlaynd]

@1984enjoyer @Solidussbu1 @abdulafandii My prophet? And who might that be? 😅

It does help to read the post before posting a comment under it...

Just saying...

[Daniel @danlaynd]

Did you read my post?.. You did not understand what I said...

My point was that the existence of the Qumran scrolls should have been the final nail in Islam's coffin.

Muhhamed's whole premise was that we Christians corrupted all of Scripture beyond recognition. Well, the Qumran scrolls were not even touched by Christians; so where is this Christian corruption?

And if OT is not corrupted by Christians, then OT is everlasting Scripture according to their own teaching, and disobedience to it is punishable by death...

Thus, see: all Muslims are on the hook to obey at least the OT, which they do not, thus making them automatic apostates worthy of death according to their own system.

[Daniel @danlaynd]

@TacoBellSchitz @JayDyer @ReachRoysReport @WesleyLHuff Chrsits love just oozing from your mouth 😅

I am so ready to join your movement!

Sign me in!

[Daniel @danlaynd]

@JayDyer @ReachRoysReport @WesleyLHuff Yeah, orthobors, nothing says you have a strong movement than childish pettiness...

[Daniel @danlaynd]

@abdulafandii Why would any woman want to be in your heaven?..

[Daniel @danlaynd]

@1984enjoyer @Solidussbu1 @abdulafandii Did you reply to me?..

[Daniel @danlaynd]

@emmmeesh @TamimHZ26 @Sabr_Halal You just dunked hard on yourself and are happy about it?.. 😅

I get it; you didn't understand a thing I said or the logic behind it...

[Daniel @danlaynd]

This was written long before the Quran, and please find me proof that this portion was "corrupted". Check Qumran scrolls (in HEBREW), way before Christians even existed...

Because, see, if you cannot find proof of corruption, your own Quran sees it as scripture and names anyone bashing it as "going far astray," which is punishable by death according ot your own teachings...

The Torah (Tawrat), Psalms (Zabur) and Gospel (Injil) were sent down by God as “guidance and light” (3:3–4, 5:44–46, 4:163). Rejecting them is “going far astray” (4:136, 2:285).

Are you going far astray by any chance?

[Daniel @danlaynd]

Typical...

1. Regulation is not = prescription... But it seems none of you can grasp it

2. This was a regulation of ancient Jewish society; what does it have to do with Christians?

3. This was written long before the Quran, and please find me proof that this portion was "corrupted". Check Qumran scrolls, way before Christians even existed... Because, see, if you cannot find proof of corruption, your own Quran sees it as scripture and names anyone bashing it as "going far astray," which is punishable by death according ot your own teachings...

The Torah (Tawrat), Psalms (Zabur) and Gospel (Injil) were sent down by God as “guidance and light” (3:3–4, 5:44–46, 4:163). Rejecting them is “going far astray” (4:136, 2:285).

Are you going far astray by any chance?

[Daniel @danlaynd]

@SpanbergerForVA Enshrines murder
Abolishes marriage
And small technicality

[Daniel @danlaynd]

@Atomsmade @RandomHvacGuy Atheist logic and reasoning on full display, as always...

Atheist intellectualism is truly exemplary 😅

[Daniel @danlaynd]

As I said, the name for coin didn't come into existence until after about 1000 years after Josephs life and about 1500 years alter entered Arabic language...

MO didn't correct anything regarding Pharoah. He didn't live during time of Joseph to use his language. Moses who live 450 years later used language that described kings of Egypt as Pharoah.

Thus if anything it shows Mo didn't know any different and probably never even heard the tile "Pharoah" in the first place.

[Daniel @danlaynd]

@cyborg9901 @Dredd2026 @abdulafandii Didn't read my post or reading comprehension issues?

[Daniel @danlaynd]

Matthew is an unknow author? 😉

You need to know that among Christians there are many apostates... And due to the fact that we Christians do not kill apostates they keep living and doing their apostate work...

Most of Christian academia for past 200 years has been predominately apostate meaning they don't believe Scriptures are I spires by God, it's just a piece of ancient literature containing who knows what with many errors etc... In this respect they are more Muslim than Christian. But jokes aside, all sorts of ideas have been proposed by these apostates to discredit Scriptures and Christianity in general.

That's why western Christianity in such a sad state. Too many pastors and chruch groups teach what apostates teach in colleges and universities.

My point is, don't take too seriously what you see so many say becuase you are likely to repeat foolishness of Christian apostates and nothing of value...

[Daniel @danlaynd]

Have you heard of Qumran scrolls? Or do you know that the oldest manuscripts of new testament go all the way to 2nd century?..

All available historical, archeological and scientific evidence points to a fact that Biblical script is as it was thousands of years ago with variations like a word or punctuation in few places.

It is hard to keep information even in computer systems this intact for such a long time and here we are dealing with less than ideal media of information storage and copying...

There is no scientific, historical or archeological evidence that Muhhamad was correct about his claim of corruption. The guy simply said so...

This dilemma plagues Islam. Because the claim of corruption is what gave Mohhamed authority and need for new revelation. But if the claim itself is false then what is this new revelation if not just a case of self-aggrandizing behavior. Same schema as done by so many in history. Make an outlandish claim, get followers, get power and prestige.

One interesting bit I recently researched. Story of Joseph how it compares in Genesis and Quranic version. One paeticular caught my attention where the wife of potiphar (Egyptian official) gathers women of household to tempt Jospeh, gives them knives etc. This speicifc detail not found in Genesis but do you know where it is found? In the folk poem/song from around 3rd century AD in aramaic likely created by Jews living in region of modern day Syria. Later this addition found its way into Jewish Midrash and it made its way into Quran... Considering that Qumran scrolls contain full text of Genesis and does not contain this portion in story of Jospeh, appears much later in history and then finds it way into Quran, the eternality of Quran simply evaporates. All points to that Mohhamed heard this version from Jews that lived in the area, which was indeed a corrupted version of story of Joseph and he retold it to his followers who written it down in Quran unless those retellers themselves mixed up Biblical story with folk story known in the area.

In other worda read Bible for yourself. At least read old testament if you don't trust Jews of Jesus's time. Afterall, almost all books of the Bible were written by Israelites, besides maybe book of Job (which is likely the most ancient one) and gospel of Luke and Acts written by Luke. Even then it is debatable if he was a gentile or of mixed origin greek/Jewish...