@lambeth981 Married to an ordained woman (which I support) and itβs not clear that matters that seem black and white and obvious to some are in fact more complicated than they appear?
@lambeth981 Martin Hengel was an evangelical NT scholar who held that 1 Peter was late. Fine to not understand the issues, but to assume that this means the scholar is operating in bad faith is ignorant. To go further back even Calvin had questions about 2 Peter
A find search: "Paul" with 103 hits (some of which are names of program unit chairs), but mostly the first-century man himself; "Jesus" with 19 hits. Is this just where the energy is in the NT side of our field? Or something else going on?
Browsing the SBL call for papers: there's a lot of Paul. Sections titled: "Paul and Politics," "Paul within Judaism," "Pauline Epistles," "Pauline Theology," "The Historical Paul." Not to be outdone, "Redescribing Christian Origins" is almost entirely focused on Paul.
@drjohnmeade@jrmcmanaway@WesleyLHuff@mlward I think he has a "canon" in the sense of a closed list. He's in a polemical debate with apocalyptic movements (e.g. 4 Ezra), which have broader scriptures. I'm not sure what it says about Judaism overall, I think there were competing notions of the extent of Scripture.
@drjohnmeade@jrmcmanaway@WesleyLHuff@mlward Yes, the sixth Mosaic book! Certainly Josephus could have been *much* clearer if that's what he meant. My point is not so much that you can't find a way to make it work, as that it's certainly not absolutely clear that his 22 are the rabbinic 24.
@drjohnmeade@jrmcmanaway@WesleyLHuff@mlward I think Ag. Ap. 1.37-41 is not relevant for rabbinic canon, but does represent a second temple priestly interpretive tradition on a succession of Mosaic prophets. So I argue in 2022 Brill volume "A Prophet like Moses." But happy to be convinced otherwise! :)
@drjohnmeade@jrmcmanaway@WesleyLHuff@mlward But this is not a distinction between "authoritative for doctrine" and "edifying work" as the canon/scripture has been taken to be. It's a distinction between scripture and more recent historical writings, but also doesn't bear on Ben Sira, Tobit, etc.
@drjohnmeade@jrmcmanaway@WesleyLHuff@mlward 4 wisdom books? Job, Psalms, Proverbs, but then one has to choose Eccl or Song of Songs. It's obviously close to rabbinic canon, but not necessarily identical.
@drjohnmeade@jrmcmanaway@WesleyLHuff@mlward IIRC, Mason also complicates the question of whether Josephus' canon is the same as the rabbinic one. Definition of "prophets" is very different; list of books may be slightly different.
@drjohnmeade@jrmcmanaway@WesleyLHuff@mlward Josephus doesn't tell us exactly what he thinks of works such as Maccabees. Not sure he regarded them as "scripture" in distinction from canon in this sense. Possibly just as historical sources upon which his work was an improvement, like Luke with his sources.