@Nagriko@Giedymin4@VVP2_0 If you believe Sahryń, Pawłokoma or Operation Vistula meet that legal test, present the evidence. I do not need to deny Polish crimes. But one crime neither disproves nor excuses another.
@Nagriko@Giedymin4@VVP2_0 No. An analogy about a legal definition is not an equivalence of scale. Genocide is not determined by victim count alone, but by the intent to destroy a protected group, in whole or in part. Polish crimes do not answer the question of OUN-UPA’s intent.
@Nagriko@Giedymin4@VVP2_0 [2] necessarily the entire nation. The relevant question is whether OUN-UPA intended to destroy a substantial part of the Polish population in the territories it controlled.
@Nagriko@Giedymin4@VVP2_0 One of the arguments why Türkiye was not admitted to the EU is the denial of the Armenian genocide. The reason the EU could come into being is because Germany faced its history.
@Nagriko@Giedymin4@VVP2_0 This is true, but in the 20th century it happened on an industrial scale and that is why such actions are called genocide. And that is why the condition for "genocide" is a planned action by a high military command. Armenian genocide, Holocaust, Volhynian massacre.
@Nagriko@Giedymin4@VVP2_0 Nothing justifies such actions. One must always be human. Because otherwise it is not a crime against the country, but against humanity.
We've had a similar phenomenon in history - you with Poles, we with Germans. No one thought to ethnically cleanse the Germans in this way.
@Nagriko@Giedymin4@VVP2_0 Ukrainians were not prohibited from participating in elections in the Second Polish Republic. The OUN-UPA forbade participation because it did not want to allow the election of politicians sympathetic to Ukraine—since good Polish-Ukrainian relations were not in their interest.
@Nagriko@Giedymin4@VVP2_0 But Ukraine does have other heroes: those who built its state, preserved its culture, resisted Soviet rule, and defend it today. OUN also killed Ukrainian moderates and rivals. That is an argument for honouring the victims - not for letting the killers monopolise national memory.
@Nagriko@Giedymin4@VVP2_0 Let us distinguish between crimes committed against the civilian, apolitical population (which were also committed by rebellious parts of AK, which were condemned by the main command for this) and planned ethnic cleansing for cynical political purposes by the UPA main command.
@Nagriko@Giedymin4@VVP2_0 ...these territories. Ukraine does not recognize it as genocide because it does not recognize that it was a planned ethnic cleansing, but rather a spontaneous population movement. As a result, more Ukrainian heroes died saving their neighbors, regardless of their nationality, ...
@Nagriko@Giedymin4@VVP2_0 Candidate status starts the process; it does not mean every requirement has been met. Ukraine need not follow each member's domestic policy, but accession requires terms all members accept. That is not Poland ruling Ukraine; it is Poland deciding whether to share a Union with it.
@Nagriko@Giedymin4@VVP2_0 In Poland, this was interpreted as a reflection of the Soviet mentality and a harbinger of cynical policies based on lies. It was also the first element that disappointed many in our relationship.