@xRustInPeacex@trad_presby We almost have a bingo
1. “Piety signaling”
2. Saying Jesus was mean so you can be vulgar and hateful to everyone
3. “Quote mining”
When you watch Jay, maybe try to learn to think critically like him as opposed to learning to parrot him at irrelevant times.
@xRustInPeacex@trad_presby Jesus condemns sin. Nobody here endorsed sin — except you who defends vulgarity for the sake of vulgarity.
Jesus says to love your neighbor. You believe calling them vulgar slurs is love.
Show these messages to your priest. Tell me if he agrees with you.
@xRustInPeacex@trad_presby Let’s summarize your position.
1. You think it’s Christlike to just call people fa**ot without any evidence of them being homosexual (oh showing any desire for them to repent and come to the church)
2. You think Jesus was just being mean and that’s hecking based.
@ElijahOrtho@paceebene@trad_presby Yes. I’m citing the letter to the Smyrneans. Which is a letter telling them to avoid the heretics you mentioned. Avoid heretics. Pray for them to repent and return. You just call people fa**ots.
It’s a short letter. You should read it before citing better men.
@ElijahOrtho@paceebene@trad_presby Your shepherd is tasked with your soul. He should care that his flock is speaking evil and acting like a horrible ambassador for Jesus and the church.
I gave you verses and cited Ignatius. Your answer is to say “piety signaling” because that’s what you parrots always say
@xRustInPeacex@trad_presby “Piety signaling” for orthobros is just an excuse for you guys to hate people.
I have endless verses and church fathers to quote at you showing that you’re in the wrong here. The fact that you ignored the scripture I sent you before tells me all I need to know.
@xRustInPeacex@trad_presby Oh you said the thing! “Piety signaling” lol. So Paul was piety signaling when he called the churches to repentance?
Yes I know they are sinning. Because their hateful, harsh language is the sin. They aren’t correcting someone’s sin. They are just calling people gay slurs.
@xRustInPeacex@trad_presby They aren’t calling out homosexuality. They are just slandering people by accusing them of sin without evidence
If I called you a pedophile without any justification, it’s not defending pedophiles to say it’s sinful of me to make baseless accusations
@xRustInPeacex@trad_presby Matthew 15:18: "But the things that come out of a mouth come from the heart, and these defile a person."
James 1:26: "If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless."
I know them on good authority.
@ElijahOrtho@paceebene@trad_presby Tell me how calling someone a fa**ot brings them back to Jesus.
Tell me how it leads to repentance.
Tell me how it softens their heart towards the gospel.
It doesn’t.
I have a challenge for you. Go to your priest. Show him our messages. You won’t because you know your error
@xRustInPeacex@trad_presby Many more verses exist for when you are specifically sinned against and even more verses aimed at pastors in the pastoral epistles, but Paul clearly expects Christian communities to deal with unrepentant sinners and divisive people.
@xRustInPeacex@trad_presby Actually, it is incumbent on Christians address problems in their communities. They are his followers. They listen to him and respect him. He knows what they do.
Galatians 6:1 is a good example. 2 Thessalonians 3 also goes into this.
@ElijahOrtho@paceebene@trad_presby Orthobros love to hate on kindness and love by equating it to phony politeness.
You aren’t calling this guy a “fa**ot” out of love or as a call to repentance. You’re doing it out of hatred.
@MarinoLinich American culture is just better at converting people away from their backwater cultures. Could be the individualism and money focus. Could be that we select for better immigrants (low education Latinos integrate better than low education Arabs).
@EvaliaVae@CCrewin@sircalebhammer Yes. We have a massive country with unique regions with unique cultures.
The people who choose to be fat in the U.S. in the South drag down the rest of us on average. I’m not sure which country you are in, but I bet you have a less healthy neighboring country.
@wagslane My point is that Christianity can’t be summed up by “believing in Jesus”.
I can’t just steal Buddhist scriptures, copy every practice they have, claim Jesus was the most important bodhisattva who deserves veneration and my allegiance, and then call this faith Christian.