This was given by Plato as the most valid reason for the creation of the world - that good works should be effected by a good God.
Augustine, CoG, 11:21
A picture may be beautiful when it has touches of black in appropriate places; in the same way the whole universe is beautiful, if one could see it as a whole, even with its sinners, though their ugliness is disgusting when they are viewed in themselves.
Augustine, CoG, 11:23
Self will come to life even in the slaying of self; but there is ever something deeper and stronger than it, which will emerge at last from the unknown abysses of the soul
George MacDonald, Phantastes
Indeed, my ideal soon became my life; whereas, formerly, my life had consisted in a vain attempt to behold, if not my ideal in myself, at least myself in my ideal.
George MacDonald, Phantastes
Yet I know that good is coming to me - that good is always coming; though few have at all times the simplicity and the courage to believe it.
What we call evil, is the only and best shape, which, for the person and his condition at the time, could be assumed by the best good.
No shining belt or gleaming moon, no red and green glory in a self-encircling twin-star, but has a relation with the hidden things of a man's soul, and, it may be, with the secret history of his body as well.
George MacDonald, Phantastes
@AngAesthetics There's also a disconnect from Orthodoxy's more lax approach to apologetics and rationalism, which they consider more of a Western thing, and, again, Western-based Orthodox adherents who can't get rid of their (Protestant) apologetical and rationalist mindset.
@AngAesthetics Does it have to do with the English nature of this discussion? Most normal Orthodox Christians are Eastern European. Maybe North African.
English adherents likely converted through the internet and communicate solely through the internet. And there lies the problem.
Even if your plan, your theories, were absolutely true, the holding of them with sincerity, the trusting in this or that about Christ, or in anything he did or could do, the trusting in anything but himself, his own living self, is a delusion
The Truth in Jesus, George MacDonald