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@abc098788 @MrKyleStP @darwintojesus Deconstruction Zone is a great resource. @darwintojesus should call in

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@darwintojesus >Obtuse
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@MrKyleStP @darwintojesus Isaiah 53 isnt 'clearly' the Davidic Messiah. Context fits righteous remnant of Israel

God charged Abraham's children to uphold justice & righteousness

According to Isaiah, how would Israel be redeemed? Justice & righteousness by repentance, or the Davidic Messiah's sacrifice?

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@MrKyleStP @darwintojesus 14th & 16th century? Okay?

Origen confirms Jews held servant = Israel views early

Targum Jonathans interpretation is messianic, but he distinguishes the suffering exclusively for the nation of Israel & the triumphant language exclusively for Messiah

Never a suffering Messiah

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@MrKyleStP @darwintojesus About 90% of Isaiah is considered poetry. Isaiah 53 is one of four servant poems found in 40-55

The singular "He" usage metaphorically represents a collective Israel

This is clear in Isaiah 43:10:

"You are my witnessES (plural), & my servant (singular)"

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@MrKyleStP @darwintojesus 53:10

Hebrew sources say "asham," which means a guilt offering

The gentile nations who afflicted the Israelites in exile realize their GUILT after Israel's vindication & repent (Israel as a light to the nations)

The remnant fits offspring & prolonged days better than Jesus too

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@MrKyleStP @darwintojesus 53:9

Why couldn't this be referring to the righteous remnant of Israel?

Zeph 3:11–13 is about purging. But who’s being purged?

The arrogant, the rebellious, the proud

Who’s left?

The humble and lowly who take refuge in YHWH

That is the remnant

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@MrKyleStP @darwintojesus Then name ONE Hebrew Bible prophecy you think he fulfilled in it's plain context

"If" Jesus is the promised Davidic Messiah, surely you could name one

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@Jawntz @darwintojesus The common apologetic I see regarding this issue claims the Jechoniah curse was lifted in Haggai 2:23 with Zerubbabel

The problem with that is the Jechoniah curse is about who gets to sit on the Davidic throne in Judah

Zerubbabel was a governor under Persian rule. Not a king

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@Jawntz @darwintojesus I don't think Jesus was the Davidic Messiah & i think both genealogies demonstrate that

According to Matthew, Jesus' genealogy includes Jechoniah/Coniah whose lineage was cursed to never again sit on the throne of David in Judah (i.e. the Davidic Messiah)

Jesus is disqualified

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@Jawntz @darwintojesus Without relying on church tradition from the 2nd century CE (Julius Africanus), how do you know that Luke's genealogy actually belongs to Mary?

Both Matthew & Luke's genealogy explicitly cite Joseph

What textual evidence actually supports Luke's genealogy belonging to Mary?

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@Jawntz @darwintojesus According to the Hebrew Bible, the Davidic Messiah will come from BOTH David & Solomon's lineage

However, Luke's genealogy goes through David's son Nathan instead of Solomon

Nathan never reigned as king, never built the temple, never had sons become kings. Why bypass Solomon?