@NatRelat@AlgisFarang@darwintojesus And everyone worked *hard*. So, provide a solution that doesn't make everyone starve and doesn't leave the conquered to starve or worse from bandits, etc.
@NatRelat@AlgisFarang@darwintojesus Men are killed (because men fight). Women and children left. You could 1) leave them (they starve or are murdered), 2) bring them into your nation and give them all free everything (not possible in those days), or...what? When you are impoverished, everyone must work to eat.
@AlgisFarang@NatRelat@darwintojesus Read Philemon. Takes <5 minutes. Paul sending a runaway slave back to his owner, and see how Paul undermines slavery even as he returns a slave. It should actually make you chuckle. That is *heart* change, not eradication at the point of a sword.
@AlgisFarang@NatRelat@darwintojesus ...the intention of the early church. They did not focus on political revolution (top-down) change, but changing people's hearts/vision (bottom-up) change. The fruit of this develops with fits and starts, but grows nevertheless--grounded in the dignity of all people in Genesis 1.
@BurzumDraud@darwintojesus I understand the Bible as a whole, dealing with people over 1000s of years, meeting them where they are, and moving them to live out the dignity and hope announced even in the first chapters. You cherry-pick, read out of context, and seemingly have no historical knowledge.
@BurzumDraud@darwintojesus Simplistic criticism, to which there are answers. Doubt you're interested. Nevertheless, at the very least, we are talking about Christianity, which claims that the New Testament teaches us how to understand the Old. Toss your Ephesians 6 and we can go from there.
@NatRelat@darwintojesus They arise in the New Testament, which is pretty early in Christianity.
The point is richer, though. The view of human dignity, etc., all arise due to Christianity. Anti-slavery is the fruit of a culture (which still contains human inclination) soaking in those ideas 1000 years
@BurzumDraud@darwintojesus If you read at a pre-school level, you can agree to this. But read, say, Philemon (or Ephesians 6) with any literary ability (and historical knowledge) and you can see what the Bible is drawing our hearts to.
What if "quality of life" includes the feeling that one has earned, by serving others, what they have? Or, put negatively, the feeling that one is not a burden on society such that one must seek to justify one's burdensomness usually by damning those from whom they are taking?
@DeanAbbott Sheesh, these people responding to you...
Nevertheless, I'm genuinely uncertain about how much we can directly, without "translation," incorporate Christian morality into a secular government.
@Dbob_77@MasterThiefEsq@FromKulak@AligatorMK I can't tell if you're a liar, ignorant, stupid, or if you are demanding a very specific event that must be seen firsthand to be believed (in which case all history and most science would collapse). The most charitable interpretation of you is the last. And it still isn't good.
@Dbob_77@MasterThiefEsq@FromKulak@AligatorMK Are you not exhausted by silly arguments? Is this really worth your time?
Several of the authors saw the resurrected Jesus. Did they see the resurrection itself? Well, they saw a dead Jesus. Then they claim to have seen him alive, eaten with him, etc.