Natural theology establishes what reason can know about God, man and moral order from creation. Revealed theology teaches truths unattainable by reason alone, such as the Trinity and the Incarnation. The Declaration operates within the first domain precisely because it is establishing the civil jurisdiction of a political community composed of Christians from different traditions as well as others. That is not at all the same as denying the Trinity. For goodness sake, It is recognizing the limits and competence of civil (not ecclesial) authority.
Operationally, this is a jurisdictional issue. If civil legitimacy depends upon explicit confession of the Trinity, then the foundation of political authority is not realities accessible to all rational persons - it is dependent entirely upon confessional assent and the Founders saw exactly what that did to Britain and Europe. Nature’s God is not at all an abstract substitute for God. It is the Creator as knowable through His intelligible created order - nature; the proper jurisdiction of natural law. Despite the conflicting personal beliefs of the various Founders - the Declaration itself does not at all deny the Triune God; it establishes a civil order on truths accessible to endowed (not autonomous) reason (recta ratio), while ensuring the Church maintains jurisdiction over revealed doctrine without State interference and control .
Confusing or deliberately confounding those jurisdictions is a huge problem and debilitating illiteracy on this platform and elsewhere, but especially on here where people don’t bother to learn from the foundations on up and just repeat what they’ve seen elsewhere.
🚨🎥 TMZ's Harvey Levin calls the attacks on Dr. Anthony Fauci "one of the most heartbreaking things" he’s witnessed in government, comparing the push to jail him to the fear and persecution of the McCarthy era.
@joshwin41@wil_da_beast630 Perhaps I've misunderstood you, and you came to the defense of someone who certainly doesn't think like you and with whom I was busy being ignored by because I'm nobody. In which case, I read you as (initially) defending him.
@joshwin41@wil_da_beast630 You are the reductio ad absurdum of demands for a single kind of evidence for every belief. I will not trap myself in solipsism through unfounded narrowing of evidence as you have done. Scientism (the standard atheist position) is analogous to yours.
@thepalmerworm This is hard to communicate. Much humanities education is the cultivation of vice, thus many conservative thinkers understandably aim for strictly vocational training. But these are both bad options for education. Just heard @scrowder (whom I like) argue for the latter.
@joshwin41@wil_da_beast630 You can't even appeal to "intersubjective" because you cannot "show" that any other person exists independent of your mind. What could I possibly show you while it still being independent of your mind? That's an impossible demand leading to solipsism, I think.
@joshwin41@wil_da_beast630 Interesting. Because science and logic are not "shown" to be independent of a human mind, they are subjective. A great example of the collapse of reason under the bootstrapping demands of scientism (the claim that only the "demonstrated" should be believed).
@joshwin41@wil_da_beast630 Perhaps people, with understanding, do so. I kind of doubt it. That is what a reductio, which Aristotle used to "demonstrate" the LNC, appeals to: Our inability to hold clearly understood directly contradictory beliefs. Usually people don't understand that they are contradictions
@joshwin41@wil_da_beast630 I suppose I could add that people certainly hold contradictory beliefs, but I would dare say cannot hold those ideas in their minds together at one time. The 2 claims "that is a square and that is not a square" are, if understood, impossible to believe at any one moment.
@joshwin41@wil_da_beast630 So you think for a logical law to exist, it must be like a physical law?
And thus demonstration must be like science.
Fascinating stuff. (And thanks for demonstrating my point.)
@joshwin41@wil_da_beast630 He proved that thought doesn't work without it. He certainly did not demonstrate it in terms of evidence coming prior. Those are very different things.
The LNC is very likely not mind-independent. But it is most certainly human-mind-independent.
@joshwin41@wil_da_beast630 I make an absolute claim about the law of noncontradiction. But you, being more epistemically responsible, think it should be demonstrated before believed?
@KyleLCrawford@wil_da_beast630 Anyone who doesn't believe in a God and makes claims about what to think, what should be done, and how we should behave is in no meaningful sense different from a person with a God complex. Indemonstrable claims and "uncaused cause" arguments are effectively "because I said so".
Socialism is the ultimate virtue signaling. It produces nothing but misery, but it sounds and looks good if you don't (or can't) think any more deeply than a snail.
Reminds me of the child-led parents, who produce little monsters, but can flex that they're super nice parents.
"I don’t believe that any person is entitled to privacy in public."
A backward argument. Our framers got it right: They set limits on government, not people. The question is what authority can reasonably be granted to government. Govt has to prove it has the right. I don't.
To be clear, I literally could not care less about Flock as a corporation. I’m not “Pro-Flock”
I don’t believe that any person is entitled to privacy in public. Many of the people who talk the most about this, built their careers by filming in public without or against consent.
Of course, there's the heart of the curse: death. Some think we'll beat that one, but they don't really understand what death is. This, too, will get worse, I think, but in a different way.
Gen 3 has 3 paets of the curse:
1) Woman- pain in childbirth. Humans got this one largely beat.
2) Man - toil in production. AI and robots will take care of that.
3) Broken relationship between man and woman: As if these kept one another in balance, this curse is increasing.
Bret Weinstein said something that won’t leave my head:
For the first time in 300,000 years of human evolution, we removed the cost from the single biggest reward nature ever invented — sex and pair-bonding.
Reliable birth control + abortion = you can now cash the evolutionary lottery ticket without paying the 20-year mortgage of pregnancy, diapers, sleepless nights, and college funds.
Result? An entire generation of 18–35-year-olds walking around with the energy, libido, hormones, and protective instincts that evolution spent millions of years calibrating for child-rearing… but with zero actual children. That energy didn’t disappear. It got redirected.
Heather Heying’s observation is brutal: young women especially began treating ideologies the exact way evolution wired them to treat babies. Climate change, social justice, whatever the cause of the month is — it gets defended with literal mama-bear ferocity, the same neurochemistry that once guarded a toddler from predators now guards an abstract idea from wrong think.
And now Elon is promising the second shoe is about to drop: AI-driven abundance will make money as “free” as sex became in the 1970s. Both of evolution’s primary carrots — mating and resource acquisition suddenly cost almost nothing.
Weinstein’s ice-cold question: When producing and protecting actual children is no longer the central organizing principle of adult life… and when creating wealth is no longer required for status, security, or attracting a mate…What is left to give a human life direction, meaning, and structure?
Are we about to become a species that invents bigger and bigger dragons to slay just to feel alive? Or do we drift into total listlessness? This 3:52 clip is genuinely haunting.
Watch it all the way through, then tell me — honestly — does this explain the absolute intensity we’re seeing in culture right now, or is Bret completely missing something?
Real answers only. Quote-post if it hits you in the chest like it hit me.
But, again, it is not that there might not be something to the theory, but that something else is off. That is, it is not evidence that everything you believe is wrong, but something is. Of course, my claim here is kind of circular, or at least Platonic. It's still true.
I believe moving one closer to virtuous flourishing should count as tands as evidence for the truth of a worldview. Alternatively, a worldview moving one toward anger, vice, and despair should count as evidence against.
It also stands as evidence against a host of other things that arguably very intelligent people seem to believe--a lot of conspiracy theories work this way, creating rage without responsibility or hope.