@ten_niarazu@saou0345 I'm not saying the JEsuits are faultless, but if you oppress the people, people revolt. That is human nature. It's the same everywhere in history. I don't know what your point on bringing this up again tbh.
@ten_niarazu@saou0345 And let me ask you what was the cause of the Shimabara rebellion? Persecution, taxation, and injustice. And fair, I give you on the point on the slave trade, even though it was the Japanese's moral failing for selling them in the first place.
@cutestchopper The imposition of the caste system just shows how jealously their ruling elite guards their privileges. Not to mention banning people from wearing certain colors and pretty much making a category of proffesionals become untouchables (caste so low you're not even human).
@cutestchopper That's the thing tho, that's not my argument at all. What I said was their rulers are afraid of an ideology that espouses human dignity and equality. I did not say Japan need Christianity, just their rejection of it at the time speaks volumes.
@ten_niarazu@saou0345 But they did though, that was the reason Oda Nobunaga burned Mount Hiei. The Buddhists were wealthy, armed, and interferes in secular politics. Even after 1000 years of integration they seek domination, despite their narrative of living in poverty. See, you're still nitpicking.
@cutestchopper Bruh, it was literally. Famine was frequent, the Japanese were quoted as short; likely due to malnutrition, wars were everywhere. Even after Sengoku was over, they imposed a caste system. If that's not a shithole, then what is?
@ten_niarazu@saou0345 Foreign ideology? Wasn't Buddhism foreign ideology? It caused many problems for the Japanese Gentry as well, particularly the Ikko Ikki. You're unfairly nitpicking here.
@ten_niarazu@saou0345 That's the rub though, you the Japanese sold them to the Portuguese. The Portuguese did not actively caught Japanese to be sold. This is the classic blaming the white man for your society's moral failing.
@ten_niarazu@saou0345 No, that's not what I meant at all. At the time, China, Ottoman Sultanate, and Korea were thriving civilizations. Japan was exceptionally backwater at that time. Xenophobic and stubborn until they see that the world moved without them.
@ten_niarazu@saou0345 And the point being? Carpentry is a skilled trade and carpenters are often literate, same in Europe at the same time. I'm talking about the wider populace. At this time year you mentioned, Europeans have started mass literacy initiatives, driven by the printing press.
@shoji_chi@saou0345 Bruv, I am Asian and live in Asia. All I see from Japan is that you are going extinct and Pakistanis will become the new Japanese majority. I don't know about you but that's not a picture of development in the slightest.
@cutestchopper I did not say that, the Japanese at the time were at large illiterate (Sengokunand early Edo, where the persecutions was intense). And let's not pretend that Japan was an advanced civilization, compared to China or Korea at the time Japan was a shithole.
@saou0345 The fact of the matter is this: your nation was a backward backwater controlled by rulers who hate a religion that espouses human dignity and equality before God. They then lied to your illiterate ancestors to keep them down and secure their positions.
@saou0345 "Invasion" Let's see here: getting burned and crucified doesn't seem like an "invasion" to me. Mind you missionaries often ask for permission first before conducting their evangelization.
@HikaruSeiker Thing is, that shit is a tired trope. Very predictable and not very interesting after the tousandth time. It used to be an interesting plot twist, not so much now.
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