>gewinnt 14 Jahre lang jede Wahl mit großer Mehrheit
>zwingt die US-Regierung die Epstein-Files zu veröffentlichen & fordert alle beteiligten Straftäter zu verhaften
>stellt die Justizministerin vorm Repräsentantenhaus bloß, nachdem die Akten zensiert & unvollständig veröffentlicht wurden
>AIPAC und Billionäre finanzieren einen Wahlgegner den niemand kennt
>teuerster Wahlkampf für die Position in der US-Geschichte
>er wird tatsächlich von Boomern abgewählt
Israeli soldiers torture a one-year-old child in Gaza, including burning his leg with a cigarette and inserting a nail into his leg, according to a report, to pressure his father to make confessions
https://t.co/v0be37LwpV
Your claim is wildly exaggerated and historically inaccurate. During the Greek War of Independence (1821–1830), many Ottoman-era mosques and Muslim monuments in southern Greece were indeed destroyed, damaged, or converted as part of the rebellion against Ottoman rule often seen as symbols of occupation. Estimates suggest Greece had 300–400 Ottoman mosques before independence, with over 200 destroyed and around 100 converted in the following periods. But “every single mosque” burned to the ground? That’s complete nonsense.
Greece today has active mosques, especially in Thrace (where there’s a recognized Muslim minority), Thessaloniki (e.g., the Yeni Mosque), and even a new government-funded one in Athens (Votanikos Mosque, opened around 2020). There are dozens in use, plus informal prayer spaces for the growing Muslim population (including migrants). Islam wasn’t “destroyed” in Greece 200 years ago Ottoman rule ended, independence was won, and the Muslim presence shifted dramatically through wars, population exchanges (like the 1923 one with Turkey), and expulsions, but the religion and its sites persist.
Pavlos is just rage-posting online, obsessing over Sneako. He does this constantly his feed is full of anti-Turkey, anti-Islam, ultra-nationalist Greek takes, threats about wars, Cyprus, etc. It’s the same tired pattern: cry about Muslims, Turks, or anyone he sees as a threat to his idealized Spartan/Greek identity, then block or ignore pushback.
Greece has real history and achievements ancient philosophy, beating back Ottoman decline through revolution, modern contributions but turning it into “we burned every mosque and eradicated Islam” is pathetic cope. It’s not tough; it’s insecure. If you’re so proud of Greece, act like it instead of whining online about some American convert streamer every other day.
You come off as the biggest keyboard warrior pussy, always crying about Sneako while hiding behind a Spartan bio. Fuck that noise Greece deserves better than this loser representing it with ahistorical edgelord bullshit.
“Your ‘we destroyed Islam’ fantasy ignores that mosques still stand and function in Greece today, dumbass. Go touch grass instead of obsessing over Sneako like a jealous ex.” Facts over feelings.
If that’s the case, then we’re not that far apart.
If Greeks acknowledge Tripolitsa and Turks acknowledge Chios and other reprisals, then the issue isn’t denial it’s avoiding double standards.
History in the Balkans is tragic on all sides. The problem starts when one side’s crimes become “context” and the other side’s become “civilizational proof.”
As a Turk, I don’t deny Ottoman atrocities. But I also won’t accept the idea that violence only ran one way.
If both societies can admit their dark chapters, that’s healthier than weaponizing them 200 years later.
I agree there’s a structural difference between a state-ordered reprisal like Chios and uncontrolled post-siege violence like Tripolitsa.
But command responsibility isn’t limited to written orders. If mass killing happens under your forces and you can’t stop it, that still raises leadership accountability even if it wasn’t planned extermination.
Different mechanisms. Same tragedy.
We can condemn Mahmud’s decisions and still acknowledge that Tripolitsa wasn’t morally weightless.
I’m not saying there was a written extermination order. And yes, Kolokotronis claimed he tried to restrain the violence and saved some people.
But absence of a formal order doesn’t automatically remove responsibility.
Tripolitsa followed a coordinated siege by organized revolutionary forces under military command. Once a city falls, what happens inside it is still part of military responsibility even if the violence spirals beyond initial intent.
There is a difference between a centrally ordered state reprisal (like Chios) and uncontrolled post-siege violence.
But both involve armed leadership structures. Lack of a formal Greek state in 1821 doesn’t mean lack of accountability.
The Ottoman Empire was a state, yes.
But Tripolitsa wasn’t just a random village riot. It was carried out by organized revolutionary forces under military leadership.
Kolokotronis himself described the massacre. The fact that there wasn’t a formal Greek state yet doesn’t remove responsibility from the revolutionary leadership.
If we excuse Tripolitsa because “there was no state yet,” then we’d also have to excuse any massacre committed by non-state actors in history.
Responsibility doesn’t magically disappear because a new state hasn’t been declared yet.
And yes, Ottoman reprisals like Chios were state decisions but that doesn’t make revolutionary massacres morally neutral.
Both were atrocities.
One being state-directed and the other mob-driven doesn’t make one justified and the other uniquely evil.
Even if some elites in Tripolitsa owned slaves, that doesn’t mean every civilian killed was a slave owner. Women, children, poor families, Jews, they weren’t all oppressors.
You can acknowledge centuries of oppression and still say mass killing civilians isn’t justified.
“Payback” logic is exactly what keeps cycles of violence going.
@2601Joanna@WillMiller76581@HomerPavlos If your argument depends on secret organizations and invisible funding every time someone disagrees with you, then you’re not debating, you’re insulating yourself from criticism
@2601Joanna@WillMiller76581@HomerPavlos So now anyone who challenges you is funded by Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood?
That’s not evidence. That’s paranoia.
@FrendaSucks@HomerPavlos You moved from history to collective guilt. ”They haven’t changed“ is the same logic used to justify every ethnic conflict ever. I’m not my ancestors, and neither are you.
Yea I get that a lot of Muslims are cautious around dogs. But that usually comes from ritual purity rules, not from being taught to hate them.
When someone says a house isn’t fit for prayer, they’re talking about cleanliness rules before salah (the five daily Muslim prayers), not that dogs are evil. In some schools of Islamic law, dog saliva is considered ritually impure, which affects prayer rules that’s where it comes from.
Over time that can turn into fear or avoidance culturally, but that’s not the same as Islam commanding hatred.
There are also hadith about being rewarded for showing kindness to a dog. So it’s more nuanced than “Muslims hate dogs.”