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@covapologetics I think so. I’ve seen nothing but unity and good fruit after our church went through a period of growing into a law/gospel distinction from the pulpit and in pastoral care.
If the “antinomianism” of those who hold to the law/gospel distinction is rightly attributed, wouldn’t you see rampant personal and congregational sin from them? Am I missing something?
@DriverXag@covapologetics Interesting. I’d be curious to see what this looks like in practice. I’ve observed the opposite. This is all anecdotal, of course.
@covapologetics Interesting. My particular congregation has seen a near unanimous agreement that our ability to fight sin and do works of righteousness has been aided by what some call “antinomianism.” As in, directly following implementing a law/gospel distinction, more holiness is seen.
@covapologetics I don’t know, what IS the rate? Is it different than other churches? I don’t know the whole landscape, which is why my original post was making a point (representing my own perspective) & asking for more info. Have you observed greater sins in law/gospel distinguishing churches?
@PerGratiamDei Helpful and agreed. I think there’s a lot of talking past each other in the back and forths on this stuff, which is why I’m trying to figure out what I’m missing. Thanks!
@PerGratiamDei Definitely not a necessary outflow, but I think there would be some examples of it that are over and above the ordinary remaining sin in your average church
@PerGratiamDei Agreed, but wouldn’t the fruits of antinomian ministers entail downstream congregational licentiousness? I think actual antinomians (lots of non-denom churches) demonstrate this
"Whatever the law requires, the gospel, in the most abundant measure, supplies...While the law commands the tears of penitential sorrow to flow, the gospel, and the astonishing grace promised and offered in it, *cause* them to flow (Zech. 12:10)."
@JDavenant Not all fully, but even the non elect Jews were beneficiaries of greater common grace. The remnant Israel was the Church proper, full recipients of the CoG by promise, not formal conclusion AFAIA
Are you actually John Davenant?
"No sooner does the law as a covenant urge men to Christ for deliverance...than Christ leads them back to the law as a rule...in order that they may express their gratitude to Him for His perfect obedience to it as a covenant in their stead..."