@grant_melson I think that many of them are on payroll. No need in PR department. They are pushing whatever agenda is necessary. Everyone understands that merger is a terrible deal for Tesla investors and yet they are pushing it through…
This is exactly why Elon and their fans should not give the wrong expectations and timelines again and again. It's OK for some people may still buy or hold $TSLA for the long term visions, but it's not OK for some people who bought $TSLA and lose money because of these misleadings for the last few years. These lies are hurting normal people who believe the misleadings from the CEO of the company!
@wholemars It seems that you take criticism of Tesla or Tesla leadership as a personal attack. When they promised that something will be done in one year and it’s not done in eight years it’s not OK. It’s also not OK to call people names. Are you in kindergarten?
@DillonLoomis At this point he is gaslighting. If someone gives you estimate of 3 hrs for repair in your house and it takes them 6 month it’s not ok even if they finally finished the job. Can’t believe he is not getting that.
@wholemars At this point you are gaslighting. If someone gives you estimate of 3 hrs for repair in your house and it takes them 6 month it’s not ok even if they finally finished the job. How are you not getting this?
Not to be that guy, but this is right before earnings...again. This happened with Dallas and Houston last quarter and 94 days after those launches Tesla is still ~5-10 active vehicles in those locations. Just something to keep in mind $TSLA
Tesla has mislead investors over the last year, whether intentionally or not. People who are pissy today are not pissy because they aren’t patient. They are pissy because they feel like they are being bullshitted. Normal people don’t like being bullshitted to. The “on one side” people you’re referring to are the ones who are so koolaid drunk that they will take any garbage and turn it into gold because their entire identity is tied to Tesla, and admitting they are imperfect is too painful for them.
Everyone I see complaining right now continues to read the long-term signals, build their position, and have no plans to bail. Their complaints are about Tesla’s bullshit comms and their need to improve.
With Tesla's Q2 earnings call this week, I'm sadly going in with much different expectations. I really don't know how much we can believe of what Tesla and Elon say
I'm only sharing this with the hope that Elon and Tesla will recalibrate and learn to underpromise and overperform rather than the opposite which creates new, unnecessary attack vectors and disillusionment of many Tesla fans and investors. If these goals are so uncertain, please just don't share them. Say whatever you want internally, but to say them publicly and not even get close does nothing but hurt the company and many following it
In just a few of the most recent calls Elon said the following:
Q2 '25: "I believe half of the population of the US will be covered by Tesla's Robotaxi by the end of the year."
Reality: not even close
Q3 '25: "We do expect to be operating robotaxi in, I think, about eight to ten metro areas by the end of the year."
Reality: 1
Q3 '25: "We expect to be operating in Nevada, Florida, and Arizona by the end of the year."
Reality: none
Q4 '25: "In terms of taxi vehicles carrying paid customers, I think we're well over 500 at this point between the Bay Area and Austin. This will probably double every month type of thing."
Reality: number largely stayed flat and Unsupervised is much smaller
I love Tesla and have been a superfan for well over a decade. I'm not here for short term $TSLA performance. But this is far more than just a one-off mistake or single moment of hubris. This is clearly a trend and as someone who holds Tesla to a higher standard, I'd love to see them do better with setting expectations. And further, if you do miss a timeline that was very public, communicating the reasons transparently would go a very long way to maintaining credibility going forward