Is Holiness Really a Gradient?
During an indoor conversation with God’s Choice Prophet, The Prophet Usen MJ, we discussed the ongoing conversation around “gradients of holiness.”
The perspective shared was too important to keep private, so I clipped it for everyone to watch.
I wonder what people who think I’m of the devil, think about the blood of Jesus after they have pled it against me for this long, yet I’m still here.
Still getting men saved and discipled.
Still working miracles.
Oh I know what they think.
I just remembered.
The blood is 3% in potency in their world view.
So it can’t stand against a demon like me.
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I’m almost ashamed that the same blood of Jesus that saved me, saved these ignorant arrogant kids on Twitter.
But then I am humbly reminded of the state I was in before Jesus found me. I humbly remember that it is THAT blood that saved me and washed me from sins, and I’m immediately grateful for the blood of Jesus.
Grateful that no one had to qualify, for I would not have qualified.
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Mistakenly ask a toddler to pray:
“In Jesus name
Thank you for mummy
Thank you for daddy
Thank you for my brother
Thank you for my baby sister
Thank you for aunty Tola
Thank you for Uncle Niyi
Thank you for aunty Doyin
Thank you for uncle Martin
Thank you for Grandma
Thank you for grandpa
Thank you for… for…
Thank you for EVERYBODY!
Thank you for Adeola
Thank you for my friend, Jaden
Thank you for my friend, Toye
Thank you for my friend, Ire
Thank you for Mrs Funsho
Thank you for Mrs Franca
Thank you for…
Thank you for… forrrr…”
Mum: …in Jesus name we pray?
Toddler: in Jesus name we Pray
I stopped going to church because I didn’t want to be a hypocrite. But in retrospect, I’ve come to see how the enemy used that decision to draw me deeper into the world rather than closer to God.
Isolation is indeed one of the enemy’s greatest attacks against the believer.
Thanks for the patient exposition. I however did not need it to know that to be holy means to be set apart.
You began well but veered off the track when you said moral conduct flows out of holiness. You made it seem like moral conduct is an outflow of something intrinsic.
For God? Yes! For us? No.
The truth is that holiness or being set apart is of two kinds. There is holiness by divine association. There is holiness by use or conduct. Each can stand on its one.
When God chooses a thing for association with himself, the thing becomes holy by this association. This kind of holiness is static. Nothing the thing can do can change it. It is purely a function of God's decision to associate with the thing.
It is in the way that a ground on which God stands, the temple built for him, and all things dedicated to him are holy.
It is also in this sense that both the nation of Israel is holy and believers are holy and hence called saints, meaning: sanctified or set apart ones.
However, when someone that God has set apart for himself is commanded by Him to be holy, the command is for the person to be set apart in living or conduct. This holiness encompasses both moral and non-moral conducts. It is dynamic.
Holiness of conduct does not flow from the first even though it follows from it. In other words, that you have been set apart by God does not mean you would be holy in living or conduct even though it automatically places the burden to do so on you.
A person can be holy by association with God and unholy in conduct or lifestyle at the same time. This how Israel can remain holy even in unholy living. It is because holiness by divine association can coexist with unholiness of living.
As a matter of fact, holiness by divine association makes unholiness of living more damnable.
A person can also set himself apart by conduct without having been set apart by divine association.
This is ememplofied in the Nazarite vow.
Now, since conduct is dynamic and exists at different levels of consecration, holiness by conduct varies accordingly.
Assuming all other things are equal, a Christian living in fornication is not as holy in conduct as the one not living in fornication. Hence one is holier than the other in holy living.
But as far as holiness by divine association is concerned, none is more associated to God than the other.
God bless.
@SiScriptureNg@gideonodoma holiness is conferred whole and does not vary, and what varies is the maturity, fruit, and usefulness of a life, which Scripture never calls a higher quality of holiness.
I made the longer post. If you can, read it here
https://t.co/srnCzeCVcA
With a deep sense of honour for a Father who has laboured long in the faith, and who carries years that command our reverence, let it be said plainly that love does not flatter, and honour is never the enemy of truth. So in the spirit of brethren reasoning together over the word, let us weigh a question that surfaces often, and weigh it not by feeling but by the text. Does Scripture teach that some Christians are holier than others?
To answer it, we must first ask what holiness even is, for a word misdefined is a verse misread. In Hebrew, it is qadosh, and the root does not originally mean moral goodness. It means to be set apart, separated unto God, lifted out of common use.
It is a status before it is a behaviour. Hear it at the burning bush, "And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground" (Exodus 3:5). Dirt has no virtue. That ground was holy because the presence of God had set it apart. The same applies to the seventh day: "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work" (Genesis 2:3). This is the heartbeat of the word, separation unto God. Moral conduct flows out of it as a river from its spring, but the spring is the setting-apart, not the striving.
Once we see that, a distinction opens that the whole question turns upon and this is because scripture speaks of holiness in more than one sense, and these senses are not of the same measure.
There is the holiness of God Himself, which is His otherness, that He stands wholly apart from all that is made, "Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?" (Exodus 15:11). This is holiness as the very nature of God, that none is like Him.
There is the holiness of a place, reckoned by its nearness to His manifest presence. When God came down upon Sinai, the mountain became holy, not by any virtue of the rock, but because He had drawn near upon it.
And there is the holiness of a person, who is set apart unto him in Christ, which is conferred whole, and conferred upon all who are His.
These do not lie on one ladder. A place may stand nearer the presence of God than another place, and this tells us nothing of one believer being more set apart than another. Confuse the holiness of a place with the holiness of a person, and one will build a doctrine the text never taught.
This is the very ground on which the phrase "Holiest of all" is so often mistaken. It is read as though it ranked men upon a scale, when it does no such thing. The Hebrew tongue has no separate form for the superlative, so it makes one by doubling the noun.
"Holy of holies" does not mean holier than, nor highest upon a scale. It means wholly holy, holy through and through, holiness in its fullest expression. It is built precisely as "King of kings, and Lord of lords" (Revelation 19:16), which does not crown a king who outranks other kings upon some meter, but names the absolute King. It is built as "the song of songs, which is Solomon's" (Song of Solomon 1:1), the song that is song entire.
And mark well what wears the name, a place, and not a person, "And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all" (Hebrews 9:3). The tabernacle was set in zones, the outer court, the holy place, and the most holy, and these were divided by access to the presence of God, never by the moral attainment of any man.
If holiness is the thing set apart, then we must ask what is meant when the apostle bids us go on "perfecting holiness," for here too the weight is laid on the wrong word.
The word is epiteleo, and wherever it falls in the New Testament it carries one steady sense, to bring a thing to completion, to carry it through to its appointed end. It never once means to swell or to accumulate. Hear it, "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Philippians 1:6).
To perform is epiteleo, to finish what was begun. Hear it again, "Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" (Galatians 3:3). Made perfect is epiteleo, brought to its completion. And again, "Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have" (2 Corinthians 8:11).
The word assumes the thing is already given, and speaks only of bringing it home. And the labouring verb of the verse itself is not to grow but to cleanse, "Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God" (2 Corinthians 7:1). It is the washing of what is already set apart, the bringing of it to its end. It is not the climbing of a ladder that was never there.
The very image summoned to argue for degrees of holiness is the one that buries the idea. The Holiest of all was sealed behind a veil. Into it the high priest alone could go, and that but once in the year, "But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people" (Hebrews 9:7).
The priest went through by stages, court to holy place to most holy, not because he grew holier with each step, for he was consecrated whole before he ever moved, but because the way was not yet open, and the grades were grades of access, never of sanctity.
The tiers were real, and they kept the people out. Then came the cross, and in the hour that Christ gave up the ghost the viel was torn, "And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent" (Matthew 27:51).
What that tearing purchased is told without shadow, "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh... let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith" (Hebrews 10:19-22).
The priest of old went through by stages because the way was not yet open. The believer in Christ does not retrace those steps, for the veil that made them necessary is torn. We enter, not by degrees, but by blood.
The graded nearness is ended, and every believer now stands within the Holiest of all by the same blood, with the same boldness, in the same full assurance. There is no inner room kept back for the few to climb toward.
Scripture does not teach that some believers are holier than others. It teaches one holiness, given whole in Christ, "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified" (Hebrews 10:14).
Perfected, forever, the whole of them, by one offering. This is why the entire company is named as set apart together, "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light" (1 Peter 2:9).
A holy nation, not a description of ranking within the nation. What differs among us is never how holy we are, but how fully that holiness is brought to its end, and how useful each has made himself as a vessel. "If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work" (2 Timothy 2:21).
Such a man is called useful, meet for the Master's use. He is not called more holy.
Again.. The veil is torn. We all stand in the one room, on the ground of one offering, set apart by one Lord.
Kindly disregard this video.
It is not me, it is AY.
How can I, his eminent holiness, tell you that there is no gradient in holiness?
Me, the custodian on the west coast virgins dimension?
@adetorodanielX It hath come to my attention that certain men now count themselves holier than God's chosen Prophet @themaninileife Yet the Lord visited me in a vision by night and showed me this image.
With the little graphic skill He hath granted me, I have faithfully recreated it.
@monja_ifeoluwa@themaninileife@_SonofArathorn 😂: u wan repair damaged screen with half-sliced tomatoe, toothpaste, cellotape along with lighter. Ma beloved broda, na vivid imagination wan kee u . . . 🤭