Jonny

[Jonny @escJB]

@SoupOfToday @AliaRainine @Hestia_Esq @CosbyKing89 Why not? By what criteria do you evaluate a life's value?

[Jonny @escJB]

@WakeUpSleepies @Skeuleos @MatthewZ73671 No you idiot, objective truths exist, morality just hasn't been demonstrated to be one of them. Morality =/= truth

[Jonny @escJB]

@SoupOfToday @AliaRainine @Hestia_Esq @CosbyKing89 So am I trash if I don't seek learning & development opportunities in my workplace?

[Jonny @escJB]

@SoupOfToday @AliaRainine @Hestia_Esq @CosbyKing89 She's a mother if she has or is carrying a child.

You have consciousness, they don't.

If you're hit by a car, you feel pain, suffering. Friends & family will grieve you.

None of this applies to a never conscious foetus whose experience is indistinguishable from non existence

[Jonny @escJB]

@shaunsomers @Wh4th3fu @conservmillen OK but that extra work has been consented to by virtue of the parents carrying the baby to term & being birthed.

A mother who is currently carrying a foetus & supporting their development hasn't necessarily fully consented to her body being utilised for full foetal development

[Jonny @escJB]

@shaunsomers @conservmillen Well presumably that person is doing so consensually?

It's the *combination* of the foetus never having been conscious and depending on another person's body that entitles the mother to choose whether or not to terminate a foetus' pregnancy or not. A born baby is conscious

[Jonny @escJB]

@SoupOfToday @AliaRainine @Hestia_Esq @CosbyKing89 I am stating the mother has the choice to take a gift of life away from something which is relying on her body to develop

Can you elaborate on why you view them equally bad?

[Jonny @escJB]

@rotzi33 @seanmdav Would you rather be born DS or not be born?

[Jonny @escJB]

@seanmdav Pretty sure a pregnancy that was happening was stopped pal

[Jonny @escJB]

@SoupOfToday @AliaRainine @Hestia_Esq @CosbyKing89 Did I summarise correctly why you think X people qualify as "trash"?

[Jonny @escJB]

@SoupOfToday @AliaRainine @Hestia_Esq @CosbyKing89 So am I summarising this correctly - other people are "trash" BC they're not taking a path of learning & growth that you value but they may not at that stage of their life?

So your wants trump theirs? Doesn't that sound like a rather selfish mindset?

[Jonny @escJB]

@shaunsomers @conservmillen They don't require it. They could live totally off formula

[Jonny @escJB]

@SoupOfToday @AliaRainine @Hestia_Esq @CosbyKing89 Birthing a child into a situation which is unhygienic/injurious to their health is an example of actualised suffering & distress

Where is the actualised suffering & distress from killing a foetus that's never been concious?

There's a complete false equivalence here

[Jonny @escJB]

@Sapientia400 @DerekPederson3 @BradMarrs298068 If you had described it as a "killing" that would be valid. But you picked a precise legal term and so you should be more careful when you choose what words to use

[Jonny @escJB]

@Sapientia400 @DerekPederson3 @BradMarrs298068 I haven't cherry picked anything. Those were the first two results I found, one of them being a reputable dictionary

No the definition is not useless. It accurately describes situations in which someone commits an unlawful & premeditated killing against another human

[Jonny @escJB]

@WakeUpSleepies @Skeuleos @MatthewZ73671 Subjective means "mind dependent". If god also has a mind, then everything he's commanded moral/immoral is based on his subjective preferences & feelings.

For it to be objective it has to be mind independent.

[Jonny @escJB]

@WakeUpSleepies @Skeuleos @MatthewZ73671 Does god not have a mind?

[Jonny @escJB]

@Sapientia400 @DerekPederson3 @BradMarrs298068 Lol so you're just making up your own definition then? How can I take anything you say at its word when you could have invented a different definition for any of the other words you're using?

[Jonny @escJB]

@WakeUpSleepies @Skeuleos @MatthewZ73671 From where does this supposed truth derive from?

[Jonny @escJB]

@WakeUpSleepies @Skeuleos @MatthewZ73671 You just did what? You revealed your subjective moral evaluation