@spqr_sulla@xwanyex This isn't disagreement, you're just affirming OP. The Founders could have narrowly written the founding documents, but because they wrote something unprecedented in its universality and genius we have to hold back from full throated, unreserved expression of love for country? BS
@OctoGononogon@ChristianHeiens I think they very explicitly anticipated such possibilities. It is simply not possible to establish a system based on consent of the governed that is not susceptible to subversion by erosion of education and cultural values. It was never meant to be set-it-and-forget-it.
@ylecun@elonmusk@Devon_Eriksen_ He speaks in defense of the principles of America's founding, which very carefully and wisely limited democracy (see for example, the Bill of Rights). You simply reveal a failure to understand what those principles are.
@drdina1@JustineBateman I understand your point: a strong, shared culture of pro-social values, family, and personal responsibility is vital to the success of America. But OP's point is also a key element of the founding, it's nothing like woke. We need both.
@floatingpointz@DataRepublican Lol, you "predicted" she would bring relevant context. Frustrating you can't control the narrative, convince people think past the sale of a false premise.
@xwanyex The left's express desire is to transform the institutions and to repurpose them. There are many societal comforts and privileges for which these institutions are load bearing and those they take for granted as being infinite, failing to grasp the connection.
@wil_da_beast630 People learn that customs around sex and modesty vary across history and cultures then jump to the conclusion it's all arbitrary and disconnected from biology. They should take the time to learn about evolution and sexual selection, especially the aspects unique to humans.
@ConceptualJames Your caution is understandable, but any reference to Hitler/Nazis is so psychologically loaded it triggers many into reflexive LLM mode. They pattern match to an argument they've heard many times for which they have a ready made reply, but miss your actual meaning.
@wil_da_beast630 But note how he retreats to the neutral language "people will die" instead of the "Elon killed millions" framing that was central to the original story. It has a completely different moral valence that avoids the point Rufo made.
The narrative being pushed is that by stopping aid you are *killing* people... that Elon *killed* millions, or the softer version... he is "responsible" for millions of deaths. That narrative is a fallacious and morally bankrupt framing. You seem to recognize this implicitly because you retreat to neutral language here: "people will die".
You haven't demonstrated the ability of thinking or reasoning in this at all. No one is obliged to limit the argument to Elon's ask for names. No one is obliged to accept the fallacious argument that USAID was just one thing in isolation that "saved lives" while ignoring the dysfunction, corruption, and harm. The claim that ceasing funding is causative of any death is not logically tenable in a public policy debate.
The argument to fund specific aid programs can be made in a reasoned way, but instead you joined into a narrative that made it about Elon killing people, which is just mind numbingly bad faith, dumb and self defeating.
@karch_andreas@christopherrufo No that's what they wanted the question to be. The analysis is clearly not an accounting of the full balance of cutting USAID. It only hyperfocuses on a narrow fraction of the picture. The framing is fallacious and we reject it as such.
@John_Lawlz@AnonAtLaw@jessesingal@thebadstats He did not. That's simply a narrative that you've accepted uncritically. It ignores what Musk said, and the totality of what USAID was. It was the graft, corruption, and vast harms he was giddy to defund, and now the beneficiaries of that racket are trying to get revenge.
@gowronseyes@AnonAtLaw@jessesingal@thebadstats That isn't how public policy works. USAID was not one thing. It was also responsible for tremendous harms, opportunity cost, corruption, death, etc. Logic & ethics don't require perpetuating the costs until you're sure the alleged good parts are preserved.