@Prinnydu38@clovegii this is a bad analogy. "you play music, yet you say you like music without playing it" would be like saying "you play games, yet you say you like games without designing and creating them"
"playing" games is the defining mode of engagement of the medium, as listening is to music
@clovegii im not hateful but i am right! if you believe games are anything other than mindless consumerist slop then you believe the gameplay, and the way you engage with it, matters to what you take away from your experience with it. if you dont play it youβre missing something crucial
@spockinators that's a baffling, and confusing, position to hold. if a book has 300 pages, and I read 150 of them and then close it and put it on my shelf, I have not "read the book." I've read half of it. That's what those words Mean! They can't mean anything else.
@spockinators If someone bought a book, read through every odd numbered chapter while skipping the even ones, got the end, and said "I spent my money on the book, I read it the way I wanted, and I really enjoyed what I read!" would you agree they had "read the book?"
@extremitiana@MechaGoddess there are objectively incorrect, deficient ways to "enjoy art in one's own way." if someone swore by walking through a gallery full of paintings with a blindfold on while listening to a description of each piece, you'd acknowledge they have missed something crucial to paintings.
@imuttjx u have to play a game to like the game. that's what games are. it's an interactive medium! u can't take a shortcut past the intended engagement and still say youβre a fan of it. no wikipedia summary of a movie, sparknotes of a book series, or lyrics page of an album makes a fan.
@spockinators guess it comes down to the fact that some people, by nature, care about the meanings of the words we use to talk about things and others do not give a shit as long as nobody infringes on them. i guess neither position is "wrong," but ill never understand holding the second one
@spockinators yeah i mean if you cheated your way through all of ff7 i dont really think you "liked the game." you sound like you liked the story, and its not a moral failing that you did it the way you did, but you didn't play the game lol. you intentionally avoided playing the game
@spockinators If u told me ur favorite album of all time, and I went to genius dot com and read all the lyrics and nothing else and then started calling myself a "huge fan" of the album, wouldnt that seem off? it may not really "matter," but there's a fundamental difference in our experiences
@spockinators I think that we've let "let people enjoy things" mentality make words meaningless. everyone is "allowed" to engage with shit how they want. nobody can stop them. the fact remains that to be a "fan" of something it sort of makes sense that you need to actually engage with it
@spockinators you can't dislike the gameplay of something to the exclusion of engaging with it At All and still be a fan of the game. thats what a game is. also its funny that i replied to you over there too i didnt notice it was the same person twice