@rider2221390689@jrc99us@darwintojesus "Harm" is a subjective term.
In order for something to be objective, it has to exist outside of any human thoughts, feelings, and emotions.
@PhantomThorns@jrc99us@darwintojesus So, under your worldview, you agree that saying something like "murder is wrong" would be subjectively true but not an objective moral truth?
@Gargotejant@jrc99us@darwintojesus "To everyone" is not a good answer because objective morality needs to exist outside of human feelings and emotions.
@Carina_Amyth@KolyaUrtz@esjesjesj Why are those traits objectively good, and not subjectively good? Because by definition, for something to be objective, it can't be influenced by human feelings or opinions.
@ascended_kiyo@BraedenSorbo@esjesjesj Just because something is intrinsic does not mean it is objective.
Evolution can tell us why we feel certain moral impulses, but it can't tell us whether or not those impulses are actually correct.
Without an objective moral giver (God), objective morals can exist.
@industrialpc@BraedenSorbo@esjesjesj If our morality is derived from evolution, then it would not be objective. It would simply be the morality that the majority of people prefer.
@niftytoast3110@BraedenSorbo@esjesjesj "Harm" is a subjective term. Someone may think I harmed someone if I kill them, while I think what I did was good because I got to steal their money and feed my family.
You can't use subjective terms to try and explain why morality is objective.
@RMcqueso@BraedenSorbo@esjesjesj God permitting something simply because the alternative was much is much worse is not the same as him being okay with it.
@KingpinPerez@BraedenSorbo@esjesjesj Without a God, how do we figure out what the "highest ideal conceivable" is?
Your highest ideal may be helping the homeless, while mine may be killing someone.
How do we figure out which one of these things is OBJECTIVELY better?
@GregCampNC@AbbyJohnson Murder = Intentionally ending the life of an innocent human being
Abortion = intentionally ending the life of an innocent human being
Abortion = murder.