@TomMcCann31 Just because you say something doesn’t mean it’s true. Furthermore, we are allowed to disagree. Like it’s totally okay for you not to agree with me.
People are not “believing” they are English… they are. You are a citizen of this country you are English. If you were born here even more so. These lot have more in common with reform than we think.
There is one thing believing you are English despite being from an immigrant family. That’s understandable. Supporting England cool. Do you
But don’t speak on those who don’t for much more valid and tangible reasons than “i WaS BoRn ERE”
@thvn_1 You just said it says “commonly”, so there is a debate there. I’ve never heard anyone have an issue with a black person saying they are Scottish when they are born and raised there. Two completely different cultures and identities and black people can identify with either.
@thvn_1 If you are black and identify as English I have no issue. If you are black and identify as black British no problem. No one is lecturing anyone here. I think it’s both an ethnicity and nationality. You think it’s just ethnicity. So there is no further discussion.
It’s interesting watching people defend Mamdani from claims that he isn’t American, then tell black people they’ll never be English. Whether you agree or disagree with either position, applying one standard in the US and a completely different one in England is inconsistent.
@TomMcCann31 That’s one definition of English, but it’s not the only one. Many people distinguish between ethnic English and English as a national/civic identity. British citizenship alone doesn’t necessarily make someone English, but neither does everyone agree that DNA does either.
@thvn_1 Ethnicity and nationality is a crazy concept for your brain to understand I get it. I’m always willing to give grace to those who don’t have the mental capacity to understand basic logic.
@notblindtoit Only difference is we are discussing human beings… which are the same species🤷🏽♀️ If a black horse is born in a stable where the white horses live, they are both still horses you idiot