Why do you say “My way is hidden from the Lord, and the Justice due me escapes the notice of my God”? Do you not know? Have you not heard? The Everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth does not become weary or tired. His understanding is inscrutable.
@ferrismattic I’ll try and get you an access to the paper. When @jesserandolph_ ‘s work is available it is even better as the current issues are even more refined.
@ferrismattic Sorry misspelling. Andy Snider did a paper refuting Active Obedience as our Righteousness while at Grace Theological seminary. He lost the battle and with Phil Johnson, but clearly identified the issue and his dissertation (I think?) kicked off the current battle.
@SteveMeisterVDM 5:18 is clearly speaking of one act of Adam and one act of Jesus as the context. Anyone reading the text plainly cannot make one act in 18 to every act in 19. The whole passage is dealing with the death of Christ and the impotence of the law to save.
@herdyshepherd1 Reform comes from individual farmers doing what is in their own best interest. Most of us will care and steward our land, demand fair prices for our production and train up our children to do the same after us if the government would just get out of our way. Even in America.
@herdyshepherd1 As a farmer in a more free society than Britain, reliance on top down management, trade policies, regs, supply chain reform, other people's money (investment), tax policy (confiscation rates) and environmental subsidies (more of other people's money) isn't the answer.
@_TSSinclair For God so loved the world that he sent His only Son.
He is the propitiation not for our sins only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Election does not begin God’s love for us, if so, none would survive to the day of their salvation.
@_TSSinclair This is the issue I have. You refer to passages about the death of Christ, and then if one doesn’t take the time to look at the context, much less the verse itself, will believe it actually is talking about Christ’s law keeping to earn our righteousness.
@_TSSinclair Colossians 2:14
[14] by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
@_TSSinclair If you do not have presupposed Covenant of Works you cannot derive at Jesus good works give you righteousness from Romans 5. That is why you cannot believe in AOC without accepting Covenantal Theology. Dispensational hermeneutics can’t arrive there through just the text.
@_TSSinclair And that forgiveness and justification are by His death. The preamble in Rom 4:25 and the first half of Rom 5 clearly refer to our justification is from the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. There is no other way to read the text.
@KRCuthbertson@jesserandolph_ That sympathy is yet another action of humility on his part. That Holy God lowered Himself to experience our lives enough is one thing, but then doesn’t use it a judgement because he did it without sinning but uses it as an occasion of sympathy for His own? What a great God!
@KRCuthbertson@jesserandolph_ If he obeyed, never sinned and followed the law, he would be qualified as our High priest and perfect sacrifice. Only His experience of temptation allows him the ability to sympathize with us. He knew our frailty, grief, hunger, rejection, pain, etc. and therefore sympathizes
@KRCuthbertson@jesserandolph_ In all humility I ask you to go back and read Hebrews 4:15 again. He was tempted yet without sin. It is actually the absence of sin that makes him a perfect high priest and the sympathizing is because he experienced the temptation as a man.
@KRCuthbertson@jesserandolph_ Just to be clear. You are saying he can sympathize with us through His obedience? As in it is that he understands our obedience and can sympathize with us?
@jesserandolph_@Patrick_Innis@patrickinnis has blocked me, but if he’s going to call me a liar he could at least say what the lie was. I have been very careful to only give what is provable.
@KRCuthbertson@jesserandolph_ Christ obeyed the Law because he has always been righteous, and as such was a worthy sacrifice to satisfy the laws demands as our substitute and there4 our propitiation on the cross. We are justified by faith in and thru His death, not His good works as a man.
@nocoradio What was @PatAbendroth motivation to hide his theology from IHCC to be a pastor? Why not go to a church that actually believed like he did? And what kept him from sharing his true beliefs for 20 years? Fear of man? Fear of older brother? Fear of poverty? What shepherd does this?