@Tom_Rowsell@LFriszt Well to be fair some are arguing for their exclusion from it but it doesn’t help to viciously attack the characterisation of those civilisations and their modern-day nation states as European, culturally and genetically, just because they fall on the periphery of it.
@Tom_Rowsell@LFriszt True. I’ve seen some eastern-shifted Meds become extremely defensive and irrational about the European identity of Mediterranean civilizations, as if they worry it could be used to exclude them personally from it, when no one is arguing for that. This provokes counter reactions.
@AdamSayers322@StrongUtah@JFGariepy Being White is about genetics, not superficial looks, which you are basing on unrepresentative anecdotes anyway. Most of mainland Greece is either more than or as genetically European as Southern Italy. If you’re gonna split hairs about Greeks you’d have to do it to them too.
@AdamSayers322@JFGariepy@StrongUtah They aren’t the same but they are essentially just as White as they used to be net of the slavic migrations etc. The invasions left a minimal genetic imprint and where they did those regions were already quite heavily admixed, unlike the mainland.
@PragmaticPrim8@iosif_lazaridis It’s not like there was some huge population replacement. The population remained mostly where it was, just ruled over by Ottoman officials. There wasn’t intermarriage left, right, and center, and if there was rape then the children became Turks rather than being absorbed locally
@PragmaticPrim8@iosif_lazaridis It was not hundreds of years of rape, and the previous population was overwhelmingly dark haired and eyed like it is now, with exceptions like there are now. It had more of an effect on Turks in anatolia than the reverse, and almost nothing in the mainland. Data is available.
@iamDonaldBrown Imagine being such a cuck that your response to a chant calling for the killing of your people is that it’s “inappropriate”, and that harsh criticism of it is not helpful. Your ancestors are rolling in their graves.
@FortressLugh Wrong. Ashkenazim are at most 65-70% European for some groups, likely closer to 55-60% on average. Sicilians a bit above so could be non-White. Southern Italians, it depends, some are, some no. Greeks,it depends where. Aegean Islanders and West Asian ones not White, mainland are