@Zakksu Not a fan of bleach but have to agree with Rukia
Bleach really peaked with the Soul Society arc for me. somewhere around Hueco Mundo… it lost that mix of mystery, tension, character dynamics, and emotional weight (again, for me… it’s really up to personal taste)
@gurekura@chairwoman_H Well said… it’s the protective-grandma trope, but jokes don’t exist separately from the target they’re aimed at. With Cloud, it hits an old wound too precisely.
Marle doesnt know Cloud’s history though. T doesn’t either (as T mentions she thought C likes to be alone…)
𝕂𝕒𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕔 𝕙𝕖𝕒𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕥𝕙𝕖𝕠𝕣𝕪 - 𝔸 𝕥𝕙𝕣𝕖𝕒𝕕
My main theory with FFVII is The Karmic Healing Theory. This theory proposes that the remake project isn’t solely focusing on defeating fate or learning to let go, but the continuation of a Karmic cycle created by wounds that were never truly healed. Especially in characters like Cloud, Aerith, Zack and Sephiroth.
This also extends to the party and their karmic attachments and how the perception of reality is shaped by their attachments, experiences and the players experience.
#ffvii #ff7
Does that logic really make sense?
Think about it. Using that same logic; wouldn't Cloud's unnamed / unknown father be of equal importance?
I think the logical problems here many. First off, false equivalence:
Tifa inadvertently falls into the Lifestream ->
From here she helps Cloud and he's restored ->
Therefore, Sephiroth defeated.
And then equating that to:
Aerith deliberately casts Holy ->
Aerith then invokes the Lifestream ->
Therefore, Meteor stopped (after Cloud stops Sephiroth).
When comparing Cloud and Aerith there is at least comparable narrative weight. But that doesn't hold true for Cloud, Aerith and then Tifa. They hold different causal functions, surely?
You've then got the different roles these characters play.
Tifa's contribution happens through Cloud. She helps him, and enables him - but ultimately Cloud is the one who confronts Sephiroth.
Aerith's role in this battle is much more direct. She invokes Holy. She invokes the Lifestream. She ultimately stops Meteor.
There's also the sort of reductive idea that Tifa acts as a mechanic, fixing Cloud's psyche; when that's not really what happens.
She is absolutely crucial in the LS, surely. What Tifa does is provide him with guidance and confirmation helping him put his memories back together; helping him confront his own demons -- but Cloud is also instrumental in reconstructing his own psyche as well.
Tifa's role in the Lifestream is to sort of bear witness and help Cloud tease out his memories from hers to prove that he is, in fact, real.
That's fundamentally different than simply asserting that Tifa fixes Cloud therefore he can go out and fight as if she's Doctor Light and Cloud is Megaman. 😅
Ultimately, I think the problem here is that sometimes Tifa's most ardent fans conflate her being necessary to the chain of events in the plot to being of equal importance as a character in the narrative -- and these two things are not at all the same thing.
A character being necessary, in-universe, for the plot to move forward does not by itself make them equally important to characters that more directly drive the story and conflict and it's resolution.
This is why no one would argue Cloud's father is of equal importance to the story as say Tifa for example, even though he obviously necessary for Cloud to exist. Just being necessary isn't the same thing as being important to the narrative.
So I think something like this ranking is pretty fair to the characters:
Cloud > Aerith > Sephiroth >> Tifa > Barret >>>>>> Cloud's dad.