Christoph Schlegel

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@KomissarWhipla Another classic:

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@warziikk @nocnalla @Saab You would have to ask the Chief of the Navy Rear Admiral Johan Norlén. He announced that Aster 30 was the chosen SAM, independent of the platform:

https://t.co/SOPqRcvCV0

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

Reposting this as we now have confirmation from @Saab - there will be ~4x as much 🇸🇪 (Saab) content by value on a German F128 than on a Swedish FDI frigate: SEK 8.7b for 4 🇩🇪 F128 vs. SEK 2b for 4 🇸🇪 FDI.

Saab press releases:

https://t.co/q6y7k9A5mA

https://t.co/tJed7S2jMm

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

There will be significantly more Swedish content on an F128 than on a Swedish FDI. Swapping NSM for RBS-15 and MU90 for Torped 47 should be trivial.

Instead, the RSwN is getting Aster 30, when F128, with strike-length Mk41, could offer ESSM and (maybe) SM-6.

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

Anti-tank helicopters are the only true all-terrain vehicles.

Tiger designed to replace PAH-1. Same doctrine, optimized airframe: see first, shoot first, run. Never be detected.

Hence, high agility, little armor, passive sensors, mast sight, fire-and-forget ATGMs - and no gun.

[Chris_'OH-58D/F-14'-SIMP 🇩🇪🇩🇰🇨🇭🎗️ @Chris_OH58D]

Those guys could fly.

It took three years of additional special training to become a tank hunter in the BO 105.

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@nocnalla @Saab I said in August that it would come out this way. And now the Saab press releases confirm my estimate.

RSwN wanted a ship with Aster 30 above all else. They have got it. At the expense of foregoing their local content.

For Saab, this is better: they get to equip eight ships.

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@NickPpgg @TotalKonsult To put this in perspective:

Sea Giraffe 1X has been reported to sell for ~$5m per set.

Sea Giraffe 4X FF is thought to be ~$45m per set.

It it a very different beast.

Other Saab components likely to be parting the order:

https://t.co/5C62apX7Fl

https://t.co/Tz0QvQRng4

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

There will be significantly more Swedish content on an F128 than on a Swedish FDI. Swapping NSM for RBS-15 and MU90 for Torped 47 should be trivial.

Instead, the RSwN is getting Aster 30, when F128, with strike-length Mk41, could offer ESSM and (maybe) SM-6.

[UK Defence Journal @UKDefJournal]

Saab has received an order to deliver and integrate combat systems, sensors and composite structures for four of the German Navy's new MEKO A-200 DEU class frigates. Click image for more.
https://t.co/NyWBhMU7N4

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@NickPpgg @TotalKonsult Who knows. I am a fan of Occam’s Razor. The extend of Swedish content on F128 would seem enough to explain the difference:

F128: composite superstructures, 9LV CMS, Sea Giraffe 4A FF and 1X, passive sensors.

FDI: Ceros, EOS 500, RBS15, LWT, Trackfire RWS, Sea Giraffe 1X.

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@SadralFDZ @Saab True. F128 delivery is planned significantly faster. First ship by Dec 2029. 4 ships by Mar 2032. 8 by Mar 2035.

Also evident from Saab press releases:

F128 components to be delivered between 2029 and 2032 (for the initial four ships).

FDI components from 2027 to 2034.

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

Stichwort: Wahrgenommene (Un-)Angemessenheit des Preises. Oder vulgo: Die Kunden fühlen sich abgezockt. Und kaufen anderswo.

[Ben 🇩🇪 🇺🇦 🇮🇱🇺🇸🇪🇺🌍 @twidderix]

Ich wusste das gar nicht. Sind VW Manager wirklich so dumm oder geldgeil?

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@Reblaus10 Food for thought:

I) Sunk costs sollten nicht entscheidungsrelevant sein

II) RM knüpfte Lieferung der ersten F126 in 2031 an „Verschlankung“ Abnahmeprozesse, sonst 2032+

III) Zusage F128: 1. Schiff 12/29, 4 bis 03/32, 8 bis 03/35

Heißt für 2032: 4x F128 oder ~1x F126

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@Grnfink2 Ich habe offenbar den Überblick verloren. Ist das ein Industrievorschlag oder die Antwort auf eine Forderung/Ausschreibung der Marine?

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@ChSchweppe @sternde Zwei Anmerkungen:

1) Warum ein überholtes Rendering? Die Website der anbietenden Werften bietet aktuelles Material:

https://t.co/g214oaevPm

2) Es gab min. zwei Zerstörer-Klassen in der Deutsche Marine: Hamburg (Z101) und Lütjens (Z103). Qua Auftrag ist F124 auch ein Zerstörer.

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@PosiTroll Du würdest ESSM Block 2 ersetzen. Aktiver Radarsucher und Quadpack im Mk 41 sind Gründe, das nicht zu tun. IRIS-T auf F125 ist schlicht das Beste, was man sehr schnell tun kann, um dem Schiff (etwas) AAW Fähigkeit zu geben.

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

I might be reading too much into this picture. SLM/X on the launcher could imply that it can handle both missiles. In which case, F125 would go from RAM to 32 80+ km range SAMs. More than ESSM, half of an SM-2 IIIC.

https://t.co/SmViDTe9xI

[Diehl Defence @DiehlDefence]

At the Berlin Security Conferencewe were pleased by the strong turnout and interest at our Diehl Defence booth. Particular highlights were the visit of Veronika Wand Danielsson, Ambassador of Sweden to Germany, and CEO Helmut Rauch in the panel discussion on defence procurement.

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@GarethJennings3 @Hush_Kit @DefenceIQ @JanesINTEL Ahh. Yes. And Temple of Love.

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@ValkStrategy

[Gareth Jennings @GarethJennings3]

Speaking under Chatham House Rule here at @DefenceIQ #IFC26, an official has cited corrosion, cannibailsation, and specialist skills shortages as being particularly acute challenges for the UK Lightning Force presently - did not make for pretty listening. Story for @JanesINTEL subscribers to come.

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@shashj Shashank, he has authority on foreign policy, but still needs Congress to give him the money to do anything, doesn’t he? Will that in itself not constrain him, even on this dimension?

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@PosiTroll Dann wollen wir hoffen, dass bereits der neue Werfer auf der F125 integriert wird.

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@FTusa284 @AlexLuck9 @nicholadrummond Thank you. The recent decision to buy add’l EF2000 does not give them a bit more flexibility? Between EF2000 and F-35, the fleet will still be quite young in 2035.

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

Pistorius speaks of GCAP service entry “in the early 2040s”. Japan pushes for IOC around 2035. Curious.

Otherwise the expected: a deal will depend on agreeing something mutually acceptable quickly.

No word about GCAP requirements not working for Luftwaffe.

[Rixa Fürsen @rixa_fursen]

Leichte Skepsis beim möglichen GCAP-Beitritt? Boris Pistorius macht beim Treffen mit seinem britischen Kollegen Wes Streeting in Berlin Druck: „Wofür definitiv keine Zeit sein wird, ist ... weitere fünf Jahre ins Land gehen zu lassen, bis man sich zu viert einigen konnte.“

[Christoph Schlegel @FoxTwo2022]

@Rotorfocus @FennellJW @eurofighter Indeed. Something like:

Go F-35B for Juan Carlos or go home. So we really do not have a choice for Armada.

And while we are buying some Bs, why not also get some As to replace the remaining EF-18.

Provided Sanchez loses.

[Adam Parkhomenko @AdamParkhomenko]

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