i haven't done a single interview in over 6 years.
then, a few months ago, @akothari introduced me to @jacksondahl and i immediately knew that now was the time to talk. and boy, do i have a lot to say.
over the last century, the word has changed a lot. we have more acquaintances than any generation before yet feel so isolated. over 40m americans have no close friends at all; 50% report feeling lonely.
some of the best parts of being human are when the people in our lives expand our world in unpredictable ways. seeing sides of ourselves that only another person can help us discover.
i want to live in a world with more, not less of these moments and i'm hopeful a mutual friend will help enable this. thank you, jackson, for a wonderful conversation.
Paul Scherer wants to create an AI that brings us closer to each other.
@paulscherer and @eigenhq are building a "mutual friend" for the world. Critically, the mutual part is more important than the friend part.
Imagine the best "connector" you know -- the person who is emotionally intelligent, thoughtful, and always bringing people together. What if they could be friends with a million people, rather than a few hundred? And what if they were entirely focused on creating more belonging in the world?
Modern social media--due to hyper-personalization and broken incentives--makes us feel more and more estranged from the people we care about. AI chatbots focus on engagement and can be anti-social.
Paul and Eigen are aiming for a pro-social AI friend who is more concerned with helping deepen and widen your relationships than getting you to talk to it for longer.
We discuss what all this might look like, the challenges of "growing" a new person that isn't a bad actor, and what it feels like to be a prodigious 22-year-old who Peter Fenton compared to the founders of last generation's great social media companies--all before he’s publicly launched a product.
Timestamps:
1:13 - Intro to Paul
3:28 - Start: 'Momo', Presence, Friendship, and Time
11:10 - How the Internet Connects Us and Isolates Us, and Conflating Social and Media
25:12 - A Future Where We Talk to AIs
33:55 - Paul and Eigen are Building a Mutual Friend to Help Us Connect with Other Humans
48:01 - Why Do We Need a Mutual Friend? And Making a Friend We Can Trust
1:16:53 - Belonging, Building the team at Eigen, and Inventor as Outlaw
1:25:38 - Managing the Psychology of Being a Promising Young Founder
1:36:53 - Maintaining a High Bar, Fighting Entropy, and Influences
1:53:50 - Self-belief, Authenticity, Seeing the Water
2:10:30 - Courage, and a Final Question from a Mutual Friend
2:16:27 - Eigen Office Tour with Paul
@DialecticPod 47: Paul Scherer - A Friend That Brings Us Closer - is out now on all platforms.
.@zebriez and I are launching a newsletter today 🌅 we’re calling it early days.
we’ll write about the companies coming up we think more folks should know about.
our first post is about @eigenhq and the utterly singular @paulscherer - enjoy!
.@camillericketts and I first got introduced to @eigenhq by Akshay, Notion’s COO, who said its founder, @paulscherer, reminded him of Ivan, Notion’s exquisitely high-taste founder.
Then there was Benchmark’s $15M seed bet and Peter Fenton’s tweet putting Eigen in the lineage as “TheFacebook, Twitter, Instagram, and SnapChat.”
Stuff like this gets said pretty often about founders–especially by investors–but after spending time with Paul and the team, we think there’s something special going on here.
A dispatch from a month with Eigen and their honestly 🤯'ing mutual friend.
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The problem: everyone has a different feed, playlist, stream. We share more than ever, but we aren't deeply connected.
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