@lubuny4@eugRoe@viscathebarca So yes, Ottoman rule was often pluralistic. But that doesn’t make every later policy simply neutral administrative centralization
@lubuny4@eugRoe@viscathebarca not proof that the state never pressured them. Late-Ottoman policies increasingly privileged Turkish in administration and education, while Albanian activists specifically fought for Albanian-language education.
@lubuny4@eugRoe@viscathebarca You’re right that centralization and assimilation aren’t automatically the same thing, but they can overlap. I’m not reducing 600 years of Ottoman history to its final decades I’m pointing out that Ottoman policy changed over time. Earlier local autonomies were real, but many wer
@lubuny4@eugRoe@viscathebarca im not arguing with someone whos denying what turkey is doing to the kurdish people my bestfriend is kurdish and from urfa i think i know what im talking about.
@lubuny4@eugRoe@viscathebarca in some periods without pretending the empire never conquered, subordinated or attempted to centralize its diverse populations.
@lubuny4@eugRoe@viscathebarca demanded recognition and schooling in Albanian; Kurdish tribal and regional autonomy was also increasingly challenged by centralization. Their cultures surviving today doesn’t prove that these pressures never existet shows that communities can preserve their identities despite
@lubuny4@eugRoe@viscathebarca changing state policies.
And that’s the distinction you’re missing: cultural survival ≠ absence of imperial control or assimilationist policies. You can acknowledge that Ottoman rule was comparatively pluralistic
@lubuny4@eugRoe@viscathebarca they absolutely did colonize,The Ottoman Empire was an expanding empire that conquered and governed territories outside its original Anatolian core. also there were periods and policies involving pressure toward linguistic, religious, or cultural assimilation.
@ljenoism@strwbrrypeel people is weird as hell. theres also thousand of indigenous, southasian and other woc all over america who have worse experiences than the average slavic girl, and im albanian too and i genuinely dont understand why you are riding so hard for her when most of slavic people don
@A_nonimous099@jeongyology@ibeuvivi europe is OBSESSED with ethicities and sorry im so tired of people acting like they are an „hated“ ethinicity( and yes im talking about polish, russians ect) . when there are others in europe who literally get hatecrimed on a daily basis or get put into a catergory by certain pe
@BigMacLiberal@hallofmuse_ but that wasnt the point OP tried to make. sorry but its funny how yall jump on anyones dick when someone calls yall out for the bs you have been saying. Adelas whole career has black american influence and trying to exclude them is weird af
@BigMacLiberal@hallofmuse_ and dont even bother to write „look beyond america“ bc im literally albanian and dont do mental gymastics over invalidating other people. European people will NEVER be systematically opressed in a concept that was created for them. can europeans experience xhenophobia? sure bu