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I asked several of the world’s leading AI models and search engines the same question:
“Based on comprehensive research, who is the greatest footballer of all time when considering achievements, overall ability, impact on the sport, and the consensus among experts, players, the media and fans worldwide?”
Here is what each one said. A thread 🧵
@Senyyo Messi in 2009/10:
• 47 goals in 53 games
• La Liga champion
• European Golden Shoe
• Pichichi
• Champions League top scorer
And correction: Sneijder did NOT win the 2010 World Cup Golden Boot. Thomas Müller did. Sneijder tied four others on 5 goals.
@barca_supremacy Excellent point about 2018 award. This needs to be brought up more over the next month. If the same voters from 2018 are voting then Messi wins or finishes top 3 at minimum
FIRST OF ALL, Nations League is not considered a major international tournament. It's a newer secondary UEFA competition that replaced international friendlies.
SSECONDLY, across club + international, Messi has reached 52 career finals, winning 39 of them (75%), compared to Ronaldo's 41 finals and 26 victories (63%).
Individually, Messi has produced 35 goals and 17 assists in those finals (52 goal contributions in 52 appearances). Ronaldo has recorded 25 goals and 2 assists in 41 finals (27 goal contributions).
Messi not only reached more finals and won more of them, but also outperformed on football's biggest stages.
I dont like giving these people engagement. Again, I know posting outlandish things like this help them get their engagement up. I couldn't help myself with this one.
FIRST OF ALL, Nations League is not considered a major international tournament. It's a newer secondary UEFA competition that replaced international friendlies.
SSECONDLY, across club + international, Messi has reached 52 career finals, winning 39 of them (75%), compared to Ronaldo's 41 finals and 26 victories (63%).
Individually, Messi has produced 35 goals and 17 assists in those finals (52 goal contributions in 52 appearances). Ronaldo has recorded 25 goals and 2 assists in 41 finals (27 goal contributions).
Messi not only reached more finals and won more of them, but also outperformed on football's biggest stages.
INTERNATIONAL FINALS WIN RATE:
🇵🇹 Ronaldo — 75%
🇦🇷 Messi — 44%
Ronaldo: 3 wins in 4 finals.
Messi: 4 wins in 9 finals.
And people still tell you Ronaldo doesn’t show up when it matters. 😂
@Queenmoonet He would definitely receive it. It’s unfortunate that they haven’t officially announced if/when the ceremony will take place. Many are speculating 2029 but an official announcement would be nice
Correct.
If Ballon d’Or voters are genuinely giving greater weight to performances in the biggest matches then Messi has a very good chance.
44 goals, 30 assists, MLS Cup. 8 goals + 4 assists while carrying Argentina to the World Cup final. When Argentina faced elimination, he produced goals, assists, and playmaking to orchestrate comeback wins. Yes he does play in MLS and Argentina did lose the final. But losing 1-0 to a historic Spain team that conceded 1 goal all tournament should not erase everything he did to get there…at THIRTY NINE years of age.
Cálmate. Chill. We’re on the same team here.
The initial question wasn’t very specific.
Messi is by far the better goal scorer and most elite scorer of all time. I could rattle off a dozen other metrics (goals in calendar year, golden shoes, pichichi’s, free kicks, non penalty goals, etc).
Let Ronaldo fans have headers and penalty goals. To your point, those are meaningless.
Calling me a disguised Ronaldo fan smh. That’s a bottom of the barrel low blow
If Ballon d’Or voters are genuinely giving greater weight to performances in the biggest matches, then yes. It should go in this order.
MESSI
44 goals, 30 assists, MLS Cup. 8 goals + 4 assists while carrying Argentina to the World Cup final. When Argentina faced elimination, he produced goals, assists, and playmaking to orchestrate comeback wins. He does play in MLS and Argentina lost the final. But losing 1-0 to a historic Spain team that conceded 1 goal all tournament should not erase everything he did to get there…especially at 39 years old.
KANE
73 goal season, 3 trophies with Bayern and 6 World Cup goals. Strongest full season statistical resume. Did not win UCL or make it to World Cup final. Did not produce the defining moment in England’s biggest game. Unlike Mbappe he chose to sit out against France and could’ve easily scored 2+ goals in that glorified scrimmage.
YAMAL
26 goals, 21 assists, La Liga champion, World Cup winner. Didn’t win UCL and his World Cup was quite individually speaking. Spain’s defensive performance was more decisive than his attacking. This man will go on to win plenty of Ballon d’Or awards though.
MBAPPE
58 goals, 14 assists and 10 World Cup goals to win another Golden Boot. Madrid won no major trophy. France lost in the semifinal and 2 World Cup goals to win Golden Ball came in a 10 goal very loosely played third place game where Kane didn’t even play and Bellingham didn’t enter until the 79th minute.
RODRI
World Cup champ, tournament Golden Ball winner and the centerpiece of Spain’s midfield. Injuries and inconsistent form limited his club season though. A lot of publications and fans thought Messi should’ve received the Golden Ball (myself included) and viewed Rodri receiving it as a possible overcorrection by FIFA following sustained criticism (primarily from the Ronaldo social media bot farm machine) that they favored Messi.
Messi. If Ballon d’Or voters are genuinely giving greater weight to performances in the biggest matches it should go in this order.
MESSI
44 goals, 30 assists, MLS Cup. 8 goals + 4 assists while carrying Argentina to the World Cup final. When Argentina faced elimination, he produced goals, assists, and playmaking to orchestrate comeback wins. He does plays in MLS and Argentina lost the final. Losing 1-0 to a historic Spain team that conceded 1 goal all tournament should not erase everything he did to get there…at 39 years old.
KANE
73 goal season, 3 trophies with Bayern and 6 World Cup goals. Strongest full season statistical resume. Did not win Champions League or make it to World Cup final. Did not produce the defining moment in England’s biggest game. Unlike Mbappe he chose to sit out against France and could’ve easily scored 2+ goals in that glorified scrimmage.
YAMAL
26 goals, 21 assists, La Liga champion, World Cup winner. Didn’t win UCL and his World Cup was quiet individually. Spain’s defensive performance was more decisive than his attacking. This man will go on to win plenty of Ballon d’Or awards.
MBAPPE
58 goals, 14 assists and 10 World Cup goals to win another Golden Boot. Madrid won no major trophy. France lost in the semifinal and 2 World Cup goals came in a 10 goal third place scrimmage game where Kane didn’t even play.
RODRI
World Cup champ, tournament Golden Ball winner and the centerpiece of Spain’s midfield. Injuries and inconsistent form limited his club season though. A lot of publications and fans questioned the Golden Ball award viewing it as a possible overcorrection by FIFA following sustained criticism (primarily from the Ronaldo bot farm machine) that they favored Messi.
@SeyiFamodun Take it easy. I agree with you, Messi is the better goalscorer (and best goalscorer of all time imo). Your original question was “What really makes Ronaldo a better goalscorer than Messi?” which is pretty broad. You asked a question, I gave an answer.
@MessiStatsCount The 2 goals in that wide open scrimmage of a 3rd place match where Kane didn’t even play should not have counted towards the Golden Ball. FIFA needs to change that in the future
I asked several of the world’s leading AI models and search engines the same question:
“Based on comprehensive research, who is the greatest footballer of all time when considering achievements, overall ability, impact on the sport, and the consensus among experts, players, the media and fans worldwide?”
Here is what each one said. A thread 🧵
If Ballon d’Or voters are genuinely giving greater weight to performances in the biggest matches it should go in this order.
MESSI
44 goals, 30 assists, MLS Cup. 8 goals + 4 assists while carrying Argentina to the World Cup final. When Argentina faced elimination, he produced goals, assists, and playmaking to orchestrate comeback wins. He does plays in MLS and Argentina lost the final. Still, losing 1-0 to a historic Spain team that conceded 1 goal all tournament should not erase everything he did to get there…at 39 years old.
KANE
73 goal season, 3 trophies with Bayern and 6 World Cup goals as England reached the semifinal. Strongest full season statistical resume. Did not win Champions League or make it to World Cup final. Did not produce the defining moment in England’s biggest game.
YAMAL
26 goals, 21 assists, La Liga champion, World Cup winner. Arguably the most talented player on the team that won the biggest trophy. Didn’t win UCL and his WC was quiet individually. Spain’s defensive performance was more decisive than his attacking. It’s scary he’s only 19 and hasn’t peaked. This man will go on to win plenty of Ballon d’Or. Trust.
MBAPPÉ
58 goals, 14 assists and 10 World Cup goals to win another Golden Boot. Madrid won no major trophy. France lost in the semifinal and 2 World Cup goals came in a 10 goal third place scrimmage game where Kane didn’t even play.
RODRI
World Cup champ, tournament Golden Ball winner and the centerpiece of Spain’s midfield. Injuries and inconsistent form limited his club season though. A lot of publications and fans questioned the Golden Ball award viewing it as a possible overcorrection by FIFA following sustained criticism (primarily from the Ronaldo bot farm machine) that they favored Messi.
Conclusion: Kane has the strongest season long case, Yamal has the strongest trophy case, but Messi has the strongest big game case. At minimum, Messi belongs on the podium
The nominees for the Ballon d’Or will be officially announced tomorrow, and these are the current chances of winning it, via Kalshi:
65% — Harry Kane
18% — Lamine Yamal
9% — Kylian Mbappe
5% — Rodri
3% — Lionel Messi