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@NathanNobis Yes, learning is good. Start here:

https://t.co/1xbDH0PRTS

See also this:

https://t.co/1YdWRdW8tR

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I don’t see her appealing to the etymology of ‘fetus.’ And, yes, fetus does sometimes mean ‘baby/child’ in Latin. There are plenty of passages where this is the best translation or representations of the intended proposition.

Gellius, NA, 12.1.8
Seneca, Phaed. 557
4 Ezra 4:40

[Dan McClellan @maklelan]

In addition to the fact that this is an etymological fallacy & utterly irrelevant, it's also not true.

https://t.co/rbBcLhHOpP

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@NathanNobis @maklelan Ovid, Am.2.14.5

“…et fetus matrona dabit... balbaque cum puero dicere verba senem.”

“…the matron will bear babies... and the old man speaking baby-talk with the boy.”

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@NathanNobis @maklelan 4 Ezra 4.40

“...vade et interroga praegnantem, si quando impleverit novem menses suos, adhuc poterit matrix eius retinere fetus in semet ipsa."

“...'Go and ask a pregnant woman, if, when she has completed her nine months, her womb can still retain the child within itself.'"

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@NathanNobis @secularprolife Here’s what Chat says: Rational people are not forced to agree that fetuses are not “someones” until conscious. Many smart philosophers disagree. There are serious objections — especially arguments from continuity of identity, human organismhood, & future conscious life.

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@NathanNobis @secularprolife @grok

- must every rational person agree with me on this view?

- do any smart, informed people disagree with this view?

- are there any good objections to this view?

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@NathanNobis @secularprolife Their article attacks (2). Its runs:

1. Nothing with a heart is merely a clump of cells.

2, Early human fetuses have a heart (at least from wk4 onwards).

3. So, no early human fetus (at least from wk 4 onwards) is merely a clump of cells.

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@NathanNobis @secularprolife Wow! Bad reading skills, Nathan. They’re giving an objection to the following argument:

1. Nothing that is merely a clump of cells is wrong to kill.

2. Early human fetuses are merely a clump of cells.

3. So, no early fetuses are wrong to kill.

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@NathanNobis @grok Bummer! Guess I’m not stupid enough to pay for X and try it.

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@NathanNobis Let’s try it. @grok do any smart, informed people disagree with Nathan that persons just are identical to a steam of consciousness? So that if a human organism has never produce consciousness, then it isn’t a person.

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@NathanNobis @xan_desanctis What would your car horn have sounded like if your car horn had never been honked, or made any noise?

Answer: there would have never been a car horn.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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@NathanNobis @BasedMikeLee https://t.co/KUiC3K7rM5

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@NathanNobis @pezantri @BryanKemper Smith’s view is not the only view. As Kronfeldner points out, “[Dehumanization]
simply points to the term ‘human,’ without specifying it further, and the prefix ‘de,’
which is used in words borrowed from Latin to indicate separation, privation, or negation.” 1/2

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@NathanNobis @darlingstrawbie Nathan’s view of begging the question entails that the following argument is guilty of it:

1) All pediatricians are doctors.
2) Socrates is a pediatrician.
3) So, Socrates is a doctor.

But this argument isn’t guilty of begging the question. So, Nathan’s view is wrong.

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@NathanNobis @darlingstrawbie I agree learning about begging the question would be helpful. It’s occurs when the conclusion is required to justify one of the premises. Nothing if the sort is going on here. It’d be nice if Nathan, who is somewhat of a public intellectual, would actually use it correctly.

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@NathanNobis @dr_owenanderson It would be similar to the counterfactual perspective of an infant killed at birth—a perspective it would have had if it had grown to adulthood.

Like in Rabbit Hole, where a life is understood through the imagined trajectory it never got to complete.

https://t.co/Sf3k0zyAVT

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@NathanNobis @dr_owenanderson I think there’s something interesting to explore here. The perspective of an aborted embryo would be a counterfactual perspective—a perspective it would have had if it had made it to adulthood.

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@NathanNobis @hell_line0 I can’t help it if you’re ignorant. But you can. Get informed. Take a class. Read a book.

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@NathanNobis @hell_line0 Here’s an actual photo of a 9-wk-old fetus. Not a clump of cells! And here’s an article that explains the science that demonstrates the fetus is never merely a clump of cells. From day one, it’s an organism with complex coordination between its cells. https://t.co/CqIboz8I8R