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@mpatti @andrewscottbell @udiomusic @UMG @sonymusic @PaulMcCartney @yokoono @cinesamples Hi Mike, great description of how the NN approach works. Copyright re: training - in US, courts haven't made their position clear as yet, but may rule that this is 'fair use'. Copyright on outputs: unlikely to apply? in which case works could be essentially public domain.

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@ednewtonrex @steph_palazzolo In the US, training on copyright works may be considered "fair use", depending on context, and the courts have not established a firm position on this as yet.
Is that widely understood in the creative community?

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@ednewtonrex @Rahll @steph_palazzolo The more novel & diverse the outputs of Gen AI the more a synthetic data approach can be sustained.
Intuitively, I'm pessimistic - I envisage a drop of some kind of creative quality with repeated iterations and the eventual need for new human created works... my pure speculation!

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@KevinSargentMus Or - they just focus on the big artists who are more likely to sue (and have a stronger chance of winning)
The rest wouldn't be much if a worry

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@KevinSargentMus I imagine there is a database of artists they work from that is inherently limited... where does one find a database of all the music artists/copyright holders in the world?
(genuine question, maybe its doable in some way)

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@crispinhunt The "Fourtet effect"

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@ednewtonrex Training models on "synthetic data" is already common practice. It could be a way out of the copyright/TDM issues for Gen AI developers but there are some obvious potential problems with that

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@ednewtonrex If enough AI music enters the market, the next generation of models will be (in part) trained on.... AI music 😳
So where does that lead?

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@ednewtonrex If enough AI music enters the market, the next generation of models will be (in part) trained on.... AI music 😳
So where does that lead?

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@RichCanavan @michael_cryne In my view this is unlikely to happen because there isn't a clear lawful basis for copyright in AI outputs.

Much more likely that customers will switch to new AI based services which generate unique, bespoke content, with no copyright claim.

I think?

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@abstraktius I agree with the person who replied basically saying good/bad is a matter of opinion. Follow the joy in your art! (and take on feedback 😁)

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@ScoreDrawMusic @nothingelseon Sorry but I would have been at @orbitalband with support from Bis. Unmissable.

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@theflightmusic I'm safe.

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@crispinhunt *maybe too adversarial...

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@crispinhunt We are in a mad world where natural human language is the new language of software development so who knows!

I was wary of making this a semantic issue. My aim is "know thine enemy"* - the better we understand its working the better we can legislate ✊

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Not based on my experience with @NI_News Massive X ❤️❤️❤️

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Analog or VST?🤔
Is the difference that big anymore?

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@crispinhunt re: collage - my understanding is that neural networks don't work like that. Instead, during the training process they gain a kind of subjective impression of the data. They then generate outputs based on this "impression". rather than a collage from chunks of the original data.

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@crispinhunt Thanks for both of those references, Crispin. I had not heard of SOMMS AI. I am writing about GenAI as part of my legal studies and that is a useful reference point.

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@BenLissen @crispinhunt Surely this is good news: if GenAI works are not copyrightable then I think that is likely to very much protect us copyright holders! But I would welcome other perspectives... I am a student of Law and not an expert 😁