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[Elon ⚪ @hadithworks]

Did ʿAlī b. Abī Ṭālib Pay his Muslim Troops with Alcohol? & how later muḥaddiths suppressed this notion.

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[Elon ⚪ @hadithworks]

@meniadler הכתובת בערבית בכתב ראי

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@im_mayalee שרח בת אשר

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@chonkshonk1 Discussed by Jacober on pp. 206ff of his dissertation:
https://t.co/GBVdNgzudW

[chonkshonk @chonkshonk1]

Interesting new hadith/Talmud parallel!

An unexpected discovery of a dinar-filled log in the sea.

[Elon ⚪ @hadithworks]

@ElanyNaor התכוונתי שאילו המשחק היה מוכרע בבעיטות לטובת פרץ וחבריו אז זה היה מגדיל את כאב הראש של ההתאחדות כי בורו היו טוענים שלפרץ היה מידע מקדים על הבועטים שהושג במרמה.

לתחושתי ההליך ייגרר כי ביורוקרטיה ועד שיגיע הזמן לקבוע עונש, הפחתת נקודות תהיה הפתרון הכי אלגנטי.

[Elon ⚪ @hadithworks]

This thread received 2 contradictory apologetic responses:
(a) The Biblical account is "corrupt", the Qur'an is right to say that Rachel was alive.
(b) The Biblical account is accurate, but the Qur'an "corrects" the account adding missing context
https://t.co/SvLvuxNtYy

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& see al-Hasan al-Basri's view in this post:
https://t.co/vg8YRt3zeI

[İbn Şenebūz @_para__bellum]

Hasan-ı Basri'den nakledildiğine göre Hz. Yusuf'un annesi rüyanın gerçekleşmesi için kabirden diriltilmiş...

[Elon ⚪ @hadithworks]

The Qur’an teaches us that Joseph rushed toward his PARENTS when they came to Egypt. This appears to go against the Biblical narrative where Joseph’s MOM was already dead by this point.

Traditional Qur'anic commentators dealt with this contradiction variously …[1/8]

[Elon ⚪ @hadithworks]

This thread received 2 contradictory apologetic responses:
(a) The Biblical account is "corrupt", the Qur'an is right to say that Rachel was alive.
(b) The Biblical account is accurate, but the Qur'an "corrects" the account adding missing context
https://t.co/SvLvuxNtYy

[Elon ⚪ @hadithworks]

The Qur’an teaches us that Joseph rushed toward his PARENTS when they came to Egypt. This appears to go against the Biblical narrative where Joseph’s MOM was already dead by this point.

Traditional Qur'anic commentators dealt with this contradiction variously …[1/8]

[Elon ⚪ @hadithworks]

@_para__bellum Wow, I missed this, thanks for sharing.

I found this:

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@shafii29110479 I use the term liberally here. He does appear to be commenting on a verse from the Qur'an.

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@AbdullahTa94056 Because early Muslims regularly consulted Jewish & Christian scripture as authoritative sources.

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@Moslim_NL This harmonizing interpretation is in line with Rashi

https://t.co/PVIfcvYesd

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However, some commentators emphasized that “the mother” mentioned by Jacob actually had a referent in reality. Rashi stated the "mother" turned out to be Joseph's mom's handmaiden (who raised Joseph "like a son" & with whom Jacob had children) [7/8]

[Elon ⚪ @hadithworks]

@laylaflorastela The status of which wife/concubine was alive when they came to Egypt is complicated.

The "maternal aunt" in the tafsir likely refers to Bilha not Leah. Rashi clearly held that Bilha was alive during the reunion

https://t.co/CHdizP72FZ

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@DerMenschensohn TBF the idea that Bilha was Rachel's sister (& Joseph's aunt) is found only in midrash:

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@ismaellini I think Leah is also considered to have died before Jacob was reunited with Joseph

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@Qasim51065629 Depends what assumptions we're willing to entertain about the Q's authorship. Even then we can only speculate what is more likely & not speak with true certainty.

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@Salbahs_ This "corruption" (the documentary hypothesis etc.) is very likely not what the original allegations of curruption referred to

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@Salbahs_ I'm familiar with this belief, but I don't find it convincing