Im an army since 2017
Im sad bc I saw K / I army relationship broke years ago...yes there are I army who are hostil to kr armys but you cant say its not you all fault too, your biggest fanbase went ot6 and you never try to reach out our side, we dont see any of your efforts
@Daniellabosh@Helpimback You acknowledge that you don’t fully understand the local context or the full history behind these issues.
And yet you’ve still decided to reduce the frustrations of millions of K-ARMYs to “some cakes” and mock them accordingly.
Regarding the different reactions from iarmys and karmys towards crowd control on 0612:
As a starting point, in South Korea and cities around the world, both venues AND organizers share responsibility for event safety. This is the position in korean legislation and is also the prevailing norm in many countries. However, the allocation of this shared responsibility differs.
- In South Korea, it is the organizer/promoter who takes charge of event safety and crowd control. There is a general expectation that venues are facility providers who provide support and do not “take control of” crowd management. South Korea operates under a “beneficiary pays” system (where the promoter profiting from the event is expected to oversee contractors and vendors).
However, in many other countries, responsibility for security and logistics is split differently between the organizer/promoter and the venue itself.
- For example, in Japan (Tokyo Dome), VENUES take primary operational responsibility for security screening and internal crowd flow.
- In Mexico (Estadio GNP Seguros), it is the VENUE that leads internal operations.
- In Australia, stadiums have full time staff and VENUES take the lead on hiring third-party security vendors. Fans would blame the VENUE for failures.
- In Singapore and Hong Kong, both regard their stadiums as state-level assets, where the government maintains strict operational involvement through state-linked operators or private contractors hired by the state. The stadium is not a passive landlord, and they would get blamed for fuck ups.
- In the UK, following the 2017 Manchester Arena terrorist attacks, new legislation places stringent requirements on both venues and organizers. Venues are not passive players when it comes to safety control.
>> By contrast, while venues in South Korea still share legal responsibility with organizers, the degree of their involvement is much lower, and venues generally do not take charge of crowd control. It is the local organizer that steers the operation.
There’s also another aspect to the misunderstanding lol.
In an international context, fans would not hold a foreign artist’s agency responsible for crowd control issues in a stadium.
- When Astro World crowd crush happened in the US, people primarily sued Live Nation AND the venue (NRG Parks) AND their security vendors (CSC). Not the artist’s agency.
If an incident were to occur at a kpop concert in the US, people would primarily hold Live Nation and the venue accountable - not the foreign agency.
The same logic applies in reverse: in Korea, if a foreign artist has crowd control issues, it will also be the LOCAL organizer/promoter that gets attacked.
For BTS concerts in Korea, there is no local Live Nation layer. Where there is no local Live Nation layer, the organizer (HYBE) remains the entity responsible. As a reminder, HYBE isn’t just a label, it a conglomerate that promotes itself as the artist’s agency, the local tour organizer, and tour promoter.
If HYBE engages third-party contractors (ie. dream with us), when things go wrong, they are responsible for the failures of their contractors.
I attach some pictures of my experience in Jamsil Olympic Stadium in 2019. You can see that Dream With Us was the entity that BIGHIT contracted with in 2019. They are also the vendors for Goyang and Busan in 2026. I do not know why standards have fallen so much, but HYBE needs to either audit this company or drop them.
I hope this explains to both sides that opposing reactions are not irrational. Let’s stop fighting and understand each other a bit more.
한국 콘서트에는 한국 아미만 가야 한다는 말은 잘못된 게 맞아요. 혹시나 그런 말로 상처받으신 분이 있다면 제가 대신 사과드리고 싶습니다. 실제로 지난 12일에 제 옆자리에 앉으셨던 일본 아미분처럼, 수많은 한국 아미들도 현장에서 힘을 보태주는 i-ARMY의 응원이 정말 필요하거든요.
하지만 여기서 제가 꼭 짚고 넘어가야 할 점이 있습니다. 간혹 해외 팬분들이 플로어 앞줄(VIP석)에서 응원도 하지 않고 온종일 폰으로 촬영만 하는 몇몇 사람들을 보고는 '한국 아미들은 응원을 안 한다'며 비판하곤 합니다. 하지만 사실 그들 중 상당수는 한국인이 아닙니다. 부정한 방법으로 암표를 구해 들어온 외국인 관객들인 경우가 많습니다. 단지 아시아인의 외모가 비슷하다는 이유로 다 똑같이 묶어버리고, 앞줄에 앉아 있다는 이유만으로 그들이 전부 한국인일 거라 치부해 버리는 것은 명백한 인종 차별적 시선이며 매우 불공평한 일입니다. 이런 오해를 바탕으로 한국 아미 전체를 성급하게 일반화하거나 질타하는 일은 제발 주의해 주셨으면 좋겠습니다.
제가 정말 하고 싶은 말은, 방탄소년단의 공연에서 아낌없는 함성과 응원을 함께 나누어 줄 아미라면 국적은 전혀 상관없다는 거예요. 우리는 모두 탄이들을 응원하는 하나의 아미니까요.
It is definitely wrong to say that only Korean ARMYs should attend concerts in Korea. If anyone was hurt by those words, I want to apologize on their behalf. In fact, so many Korean ARMYs genuinely need the support and energy of i-ARMYs at the venue—just like the wonderful Japanese ARMY who sat next to me on the 12th!
However, there is something I really need to point out. Sometimes, international fans criticize "Korean ARMYs" after seeing certain people in the front rows just holding up their phones to film without really cheering. But the truth is, many of those people aren't even Korean; they are often non-Korean attendees who bought scalped tickets.Grouping all Asians together and assuming everyone in the front row is Korean is actually a form of racial profiling, and it's deeply unfair. I hope people will be more careful not to generalize or criticize the entire Korean fandom based on these misunderstandings.
What I truly want to say is that nationality doesn’t matter at all, as long as you are an ARMY who is ready to pour your heart out and cheer for BTS. After all, we are all one ARMY supporting our boys.