@Art_Vandelay124 Little important sidenote: Disobedient literally means they started to worship Moloch and Baal and sacrificed their infants by a burnt offering.
So No, our Gods are mutually exclusive.
As the NT states: Abraham and Moses believed in the promies - which were fulfilled in Christ
@Art_Vandelay124 God's chosen people were a people of faith. When the Israelites abandoned God, he continued with a small obedient remnant. Christ was the last remnant.
The Jews who rejected Christ killed him. The same disobedient rebellious spirit killed Moses and their prophets.
@Art_Vandelay124@CoreyJMahler We worship Christ.
They hate our God so much they killed him.
Jesus said:
Whoever has the son, also has the father.
Also:
Your father is the devil.
Pretty sure we don't have the same God.
The Second Great Awakening, any discernment minister will tell you, wasn't an awakening so much as the birth of every kind of rank heretical cult now plaguing Christianity in the modern day. It is known as the "Restorationist Movement" and was the origin of Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventists, Campbellites, the Oneida Community, Spiritism, and the Millerites.
It's called the Restorationist Movement because all the cults that came slithering out from underneath whatever rock in hell they came from in this era had the same claim: The church had become fully corrupted or lost, essential Christian doctrines had been completely forgotten as soon as the Apostles died, and their novel new doctrines were a recovery and restoration of the true teachings of the Bible.
Well, THAT and they had one other similarity; they all capitalized on a prophecy craze of the general public, eager and hungry to learn prophetic truths. BUT there's one other group that came from this same milieu, but not from the U.S., but from Europe.
John Nelson Darby was a schismatic who held views so questionable that he couldn't find a home in the "established church," which he then condemned as hopelessly lost, and just started his own sect. His excommunications were legendary and acted like economic sanctions - kicking out whole churches, then anyone who fellowshiped with anyone in the church, and anyone who fellowshiped with the person who fellowshiped with them. His big bugbear was ordination, and he claimed that ordaining men to serve as pastors was "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit."
Darby developed his Dispensationalism between two prophecy conference circuits, drawing people the same way the Restorationists in the U.S. did - by claiming to have an inside track to prophecy, developing a brand new system to interpret it that wasn't discovered yet, claiming the whole church had it all wrong from the beginning. All of his contemporaries condemned him as a rank heretic, but no worries! He condemned them right back. In the end, he even separated the Plymouth Brethren; they weren't even pure enough for him.
To be fair, just because its inventor was a cult leader, it doesn't mean Dispensationalism is a cult today, does it? Maybe there was a time that seemed like a far-fetched claim. But today, you'll see a lot of Darbyites out there, alleging that anyone who holds to "Replacement Theology" is lost, and probably a heretic, not caring that they're condemning the entire historic and orthodox church in one fell swoop. That drive to ostracize and excommunicate anyone who doesn't feel the same way about Israel is prevalent among his followers. The nut hasn't fallen very far from the tree.
Oh, but John MacArthur! Yes, there have been some respectable Dispensationalists out there, for sure. Men who've made good contributions to the church. But you might have noticed that for every John MacArthur Dispensationalist, there are a thousand Benny Hinn, Michael Brown, Kenneth Copeland, Mike Winger, Ron Cantor, Mike Huckabee, Jim Bakker Dispensationalists out there. In fact, basically everyone John MacArthur ever criticized in Strange Fire is a fellow Dispensationalist.
Why is that? Why does the doctrine seem to attract the very craziest, cultish, doctrinally schizophrenic weirdos? Why is Dispensationalism basically the Star Wars Cantina of theology? Might it go back to its roots in the Restorationist Movement, from whence it came? Maybe a few good exceptions don't undo the fact that the tree has a lot of rotten fruit."
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You’ve made a TRAGIC mistake here. I’ll explain it:
You logically deduced that Jesus is not a Christian because Christians follow the Messiah, and Jesus IS the Messiah. This is SOLID logic. Good job. 👍
The problem, this SAME logic applies to Jesus being a Jew. The Old Testament faith, given by God, to Israel, through Moses, has “an object of faith” (IE, that which is trusted and worshipped). NEWSFLASH: That’s JESUS.
On their walk to Emmaus, Jesus filled in the disciples in on how He was the whole religion of the Old Testament, and it says, “…beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself” (Luke 24:25-27).
What does Jesus mean, that it was all about Him?
The Passover Lamb? That’s explicitly about Jesus, the offering of our atonement (1 Corinthians 5:7, Exodus 12:3-13, John 1:29).
The Festival of Tabernacles? That’s about Jesus, who would come and tabernacle among men in his flesh (John 1:14, John 7:2, 37-39).
Manna from Heaven? That’s Jesus, the true bread that came down from Heaven (John 6:31-35, 48-51).
The Feast of Unleavened Bread? That’s Jesus’ body, given for many (1 Corinthians 5:8, Luke 22:19).
The cup of wine? That’s Jesus’ blood, poured out for the forgiveness of sins (Luke 22:20, Matthew 26:27-28).
The Feast of Firstfruits? That’s Jesus, raised on the third day as the first of those who will rise (1 Corinthians 15:20-23).
The Day of Atonement? That’s Jesus, who entered the true Holy of Holies with his own blood, once for all (Hebrews 9:11-12, 24-26).
The Feast of Weeks? That’s the outpouring of the Spirit at Pentecost, the true giving of the law written on hearts instead of stone (Acts 2:1-4, Jeremiah 31:33).
The Feast of Trumpets? That’s the last trumpet, the resurrection of the dead at Christ’s coming (1 Corinthians 15:52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16).
Joseph, betrayed by his brothers and exalted to save the very people who sold him? That’s Jesus, betrayed and exalted to save those who rejected him (Genesis 37:28, 45:4-7, Acts 2:36).
Noah’s ark, saving a remnant through the flood waters? That’s baptism, saving us through Christ’s resurrection (Genesis 7:23, 1 Peter 3:20-21).
The Sabbath rest? That’s the eternal rest that remains for the people of God in Christ (Hebrews 4:9-10).
The Levitical high priest entering to make intercession? That’s Jesus, our great high priest who ever lives to intercede (Hebrews 4:14-16, 7:25).
The Temple itself? That’s Jesus’ own body, destroyed and raised in three days (John 2:19-21).
Get the point? So if Jesus isn’t a Christian because - by your OWN logic - He’s the Messiah, apply the math to Judaism (the real kind, not the fake, Rabbinic, modern kind that is a post-temple, anti-Jesus nonsense religion), then by that SAME standard, He’s not a Jew, except ethnically.
Because Jesus does not HAVE a religion. Jesus IS the religion. It’s ALL about Him. For Jesus, “Jewish” is but a mere ethnicity, like calling St. Patrick Irish. Religiously, He’s the God that Moses and David and Elijah worshipped.
Crazy thing is, when God destroyed the Temple in 70AD because Christ decreed its annihilation, that destroyed the capacity of the Old Testament religion to be observed. Remember all those rites and rituals I mentioned ^^ Most require a Temple. God saw to it that the old faith could no longer be observed.
Jews should’ve gotten the point. That’s over. A New Covenant is here. A much better one. But sadly, the rabbis took about six centuries and just crafted a crappy counterfeit religion without the Temple, invented a bunch of new knock-off rituals that barely resemble the ones God gave Moses.
THAT Temu-Judaism isn’t the real thing. Jesus had nothing to do with that “Judaism,” and in fact, said their synagogues worship S_t_n, and that their father was the devil, because they “exchanged the Law of God for the commandments of men.” Then they made up a whole new faith.
Jesus was never that kind of “Jew”
@fragmichdoch23 Im Winter sollen wir frieren für den Frieden,
Im Sommer sollen wir Schwitzen für das Klima.
Also allzu warm fand ich es jetzt nicht. Im Urlaub war es wesentlich wärmer 😂
oh danke an die Klimagötter im Parlament dass wir überhaupt noch Urlaub machen dürfen. 🙏
@DineshDSouza "By calling this covenant 'new,' he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear." Hebrews 8:13
@NiceneBaptist@JoelWebbon@DineshDSouza Apparently we are living in two different realities.
I claim none of the saints mentioned in Hebrews 11 are ever called jew/jewish "in the bible".
And this is 100% true. You battle with this truth for whatever reason
One last question to settle this:
Is Abraham a jew? Yes or No?
@NiceneBaptist@JoelWebbon@DineshDSouza David is never called jew. That would be the only candidate one could argue for.
He was from the tribe of Judah, a Judahite and Israelite. King of the still unified kingdom of Israel. Later the kingdom broke in two, with only Judah remaining. "Jew" derived from there historically