@Moe__Syzlak International law says neither “colonial borders = sovereignty” nor “historical borders = sovereignty.” Historical claims matter, but they do not automatically override centuries of effective sovereignty and existing legal boundaries.
@CapitalistOG False equivalence. You first have to prove Ceuta is occupied Moroccan territory before comparing it to Palestine. A disputed historical claim does not become a legal fact simply by putting “occupied” on a picture.
@Etamski03 Calling it an “actual fact” is premature. The Hassan II Stadium doesn’t even exist yet. Madrid is offering proven infrastructure and an operational world-class stadium, not a rendering.
@Oujdid5Oujdid African geographically, Spanish politically and legally. Geography does not determine sovereignty. Ceuta has been under Iberian rule since 1415 and Spanish since 1668; Melilla has been under Spanish rule since 1497. Calling them “Moroccan” does not make them Moroccan.
@The__Mustached Morocco is strategically important to Spain. That doesn’t make Spain dependent on Morocco. Intelligence sharing, trade and security cooperation are mutually beneficial. Turning interdependence into “Spain is weak without Morocco” is nationalism, not analysis.
@YesWeCan25@sanchezcastejon “A few metres from Morocco” is geography, not international law. Proximity does not determine sovereignty. If it did, half the world’s borders would suddenly be up for renegotiation.
@Africa_news_Now Morocco becoming stronger is real. Europe “fearing” or “trying to stop” it is the part you haven’t demonstrated. Medieval dynasties don’t fill that evidentiary gap.
@KE_2606 That’s a remarkable number of very specific factual claims without a single source. $457m in bribes, thousands of paid influencers, a 30% energy discount, state-directed migration, arms trafficking and a Spanish-FIFA conspiracy - citations?
@igrish88 “Morocco is older” isn’t a rule of sovereignty. If the oldest historical claimant always wins, almost every border on Earth would have to be redrawn.
@CapitalistOG If territorial rights never expire, half the world could reclaim the other half. Historical possession ≠ permanent sovereignty. A claim is not a legal title.
@Sahrawardi6 You’re comparing different legal regimes. EU free movement is a treaty right; non-EU migration is governed by immigration law. Scale and circumstances matter too. Compare equivalent cases first.
@The__Mustached Three problems: Oran and Tlemcen are Algerian, not Moroccan. Ceuta and Melilla are Spanish-administered. And historical possession is not a legal title under modern international law.
@UNslaveD0 The UN doesn’t classify Ceuta or Melilla as Non-Self-Governing Territories. Calling them “colonies” is Morocco’s political position, not the UN’s legal position.
@Moe__Syzlak@hugaemon Nobody denies Spain built an empire. The question is which territorial claims survived decolonization and are recognized today. Those are two different issues.