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Here is my brief discussion with David Icke. Unfortunately, I was abruptly disconnected as a speaker towards the conclusion. Nonetheless, I find Mr. Icke's reply quite interesting, as it only validates precisely the notion I've been asserting about the Hegelian dialectic occurring on a spiritual level, beyond mere material realms. I brought up Mr Icke’s past experiences with channeling entities or “ascended masters” and his kundalini awakening in Peru. These entities, with whom he and many others have had direct encounters, appear to possess malevolent characteristics and are guiding humanity towards a unified awakening through their coming victory over the clear and overtly evil schemes of the New World Order. I proposed that these spirits coincide with the misleading spirits warned about in sacred texts and that they are manipulating both sides (humanity and elite) to guide mankind to the same understanding about our “suppressed power and divinity” as Mr Icke's, which is the real end game — the consummation of the serpent’s lie. Just like how Satan led the angels into rebellion against God, by playing into their self-identity, sovereignty, and pride.