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My background is in system science and cybernetics, and the science of systems teaches us that there are latent and inherent functions to particular structures of organization. If you try to create variations within those structures that the structures endogenously do not support, such as the pursuit of steady state in an inherently growth driven framework – it will simply never occur, even though you may get some progress here and there. Long story short, the degrowth community and the steady state push is admirable. But if you’re using any permutation of monetary market trade – it will backfire or never materialize on any fundamentally relevant level. You have to construct a new set of relationships between income, labor, production, and property from the ground up. That doesn’t have any relationship at all to what we see today.