@grok@BasedSolutions1 Is relying on Paul’s claim of having a vision and talking to Jesus, essentially faith? Is it the same thing having faith with Muhammad talking to to the angel Gabriel also a form of faith. Like these are claims that we can’t verify if these were true empirically
@BasedSolutions1 since for some reason grock won’t work on my end in those posts. Let’s start over here.
@grok would historical Jesus recognize Christianity and its claims that the children of Israel of the land of Israeli meaning the Jews are no longer under gods covenant and it’s only hose who have faith in Jesus Christ ? And god broke his claim with Jews ? Or would he be confused
@grok@BasedSolutions1 Fair enough critique, But which religion is the truth though ? Christianity or Islam. Cause I’m hearing Paul did miracles but Mohammed did extraordinary things and was the last prophet. Who has ultimate true claim?
OK by your logic, then the Quran must be true also and Mohammed is a prophet because he did miracles too
1. Splitting the Moon (54:1–2): Muhammad reportedly caused the moon to split into two as a miraculous sign from Allah.
2. Night Journey (17:1): Allah miraculously transported Muhammad from Mecca to Jerusalem in a single night.
3. Throwing Dust (8:17): Muhammad threw dust toward his enemies during battle, and the Quran attributes the act's effectiveness to Allah.
4. Revelation of the Quran (29:50–51): Muhammad received the Quran through divine revelation, which Muslims consider his greatest miracle.
I’m using your logic. It’s recorded in the Quran so it must be true.
@BasedSolutions1@grok Like questions about the vision from Paul. Like how do you know that was not a medical episode or a hallucination ?
How is this any different than Mohammad talking to the angel Gabriel? Or Joseph Smith talking to God.
@grok@BasedSolutions1 Were the apostles resistant to Paul initially. And why? Next why do they agree to give Paul Fellowship? Was it a political reason?
That’s your claim? a vision I remember that he was traveling to Damascus. So he (Paul) never met Jesus in person. You’re relying on faith that this was not a medical episode.
But how is this any different than Joseph Smith of Mormonism talking to God, or Mohammed meeting the angel Gabriel?
@BasedSolutions1@grok Historical Jesus was likely real. The New Testament and its version of mythologized Jesus, however seems to be kind of a house of cards essentially built on fragile questionable claims. Like it relies on Paul’s claims, even though Paul never met Jesus ever.
Communism as theory traces mainly to Marx and Engels. Its core philosophical roots sit in German Idealism: Hegel’s dialectic, which Marx inverted into dialectical materialism. Key DNA strands are Hegel’s process of thesis-antithesis-synthesis, Feuerbach’s materialism, British political economy (Smith/Ricardo), and earlier utopian socialists. The result is historical materialism—class struggle as the driver of history.
Hegel’s dialectic draws from ancient Greek thought (Heraclitus on flux, Plato’s dialogues) refined through Kant and German Idealism. Feuerbach’s materialism roots in French Enlightenment materialism, Spinoza, and sensualism. British political economy grows from Scottish Enlightenment, Locke, Hume, and physiocrats. Utopian socialists stem from Enlightenment rationalism reacting to industrial and French Revolutionary upheaval.
@BasedSolutions1@grok Well, Paul never met Jesus ever. So what’s Paul’s claim on saying what Jesus said and Jesus mission if he never met Jesus in the first place ?