Henne Vogelsang

Aggressive Humanist •
Stoic Opposition • Software Libre Garden Hermit for @SUSE • @obshq, influxdb-rails & @osempossum

[Henne Vogelsang @henne]

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[Henne Vogelsang @henne]

@_msw_ @adamhjk software freedom (if you mean the four essential freedoms, not sure you do) does not pose an answer to the problem of downstream not behaving like expected, by widely shared sociotechnical standards, towards upstream.

[Henne Vogelsang @henne]

@adamhjk Judging from how this went now a couple of times, with various parties, I fear that this is a too intangible thing to point to.

[Henne Vogelsang @henne]

@adamhjk Sorry if that was too harsh, I'm German 😉 This is exactly what I mean: Rocky points a the license as the reason for their entitlement. Where can RedHat point to?

[Henne Vogelsang @henne]

@adamhjk I completely agree. I just think the way forward is to work out some form of shared understanding of what "being together" and "listen and accommodate each other" or willingness to change means. Especially *among* "producers" of open source software.

[Henne Vogelsang @henne]

@adamhjk yet you cringe at this situation, I cringe at this situation, a lot of people cringe at this situation and some try to do something about that. I don't think it helps to shrug it off when it so frequently leads to shit shows among the people of the open souce community...

[Henne Vogelsang @henne]

@adamhjk Sure the license is allowing what Rocky does. We even collectively as community said (at least I would consider OSI to represent a large part of us somehow) that another license that does *not* allow this isn't the Open Souce compatible answer to this problem either.

[Henne Vogelsang @henne]

@adamhjk Hm, I think you are talking how to resolve this situation now and I'm talking how to best avoid situations like this.

[Henne Vogelsang @henne]

@adamhjk Entitled by whom or what? The license?

[Henne Vogelsang @henne]

@adamhjk Okay, but how do we want to solve the problem that RedHat (upstream) has a completely different understanding of how Rocky (downstream) should behave and vice versa?

[Henne Vogelsang @henne]

@adamhjk Our community is looking to codify this. As community we have "rejected" all of the solutions people came up with: Licenses like SSPL, business models like Open Core or behavioral patterns like "source available".

[Adam Jacob @adamhjk]

Community is about finding the way forward together. Right now? It's all about who gets to put whose hand in your pocket for the remaining support dollars.

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Despite what you've been told, it is rarely meritocracy that wins - it is almost always other things.

You can be the most capable person in the room, and not be the person who comes out on top.

[Henne Vogelsang @henne]

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[Stephen Walli @stephenrwalli]

If you publish your software using an 'open source' license, then you are sharing outbound and can have no expectations of something in return. 1/4

[Henne Vogelsang @henne]

@drublic As usual there are many attempts already. Free Software (Linux) distributions, various app stores or maintenance 'stores' like @tidelift that funnel money into maintainers hands

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