@Cdburnett7@RiotPhroxzon I think it is meant to be a revert of the most recent Q nerfs, while also reverting some of the ult buffs from late last year, probably meant to be power neutral. Q nerfs felt a lot worse than the ult buffs so this is a net win
@RiotPhroxzon Is there any intent to buff Naafiri/Qiyana jungle to account for these overall nerfs? The winrate delta between jungle and mid for both of them is quite large.
@RiotPhroxzon What is the logic behind not nerfing tanks, but nerfing their jungle counters? Are Gwen/Lillia not partially OP because they directly counter the OP tanks this patch
@Cross_2D@RiotPhroxzon I don’t think that argument holds when Zaahen launched with a significantly higher winrate than every one of the new junglers. Like I mentioned so many of their clears after the first feel bad because they did flat damage instead of %. Feels like they weren’t even playtested
@Kuroneel_@RiotPhroxzon Yes, but that doesn’t change what I said. They are quick to nerf monster damage but not buff it when they overnerf. Just nerfing Talon overall would be better given his stats in mid, rather than nerfing jungle now and then both later when mid is too OP.
@RiotPhroxzon I feel like Pantheon jungle can’t afford to lose very much early clear speed. Is it just going to be another change to his Q monster modifier?
@RiotPhroxzon@RiotPhroxzon Is there any regret in high elo skewing Gwen so hard? She’s getting a pretty substantial nerf when already sitting at a 47% generic winrate. Was this the goal when making all of those changes?
@RiotPhroxzon If you want to slowly remove power from the jungle role, can you address some of the systemic issues with the role that make it undesirable and inaccessible? It has the highest agency yet perma priority queue in lower elos and draft. Having an autofilled jungler is not fun.