To those who still believe a Ukrainian surrender would save lives—understand that Russia’s true atrocities begin AFTER occupation.
Every town that falls under Russian control reveals the same horrors—mass graves, the bodies of executed men, women, and children, systematic rape, and torture chambers. The day we stop fighting is the day this fate becomes inevitable.
It is easy to comment from the safety of a nation where past generations already fought for the freedoms enjoyed today—perhaps between BBQ and Netflix. But for us, this is not just a fight for the survival of our families, loved ones and culture. It is a generational battle for the very existence of our nation.
And let there be no illusions: Russia has shown the world exactly what it is—and it has no intention of stopping at Ukraine.
Insults need to be accurate. For instance: you loony left-wing freeloader. Low-rent Russia-loving ignoramus. Dunning-Kruger tail exemplar.
Don’t you have any pride left? You want UK to sit back & let others in NATO protect us while letting our contribution fall in order to buy nukes?
You’re delusional, sad and stupid. You’re also clearly as mature as a teenager.
They call Europe a gay Muslim pit of degeneracy, but god forbid you don't let them own vacation homes there.
You can't reason with them. Just launch the drones.
LOL, you’re wrong on all counts, & so naive. I suggest you follow some defence accounts on this platform to get up to speed. @MarkUrban01, @FTusa284, @geoallison and @thinkdefence would be a start.
You’re saying ‘we’ wouldn’t be attacked because of our nukes but you dodged the Q of what we do if the Baltics are subverted. Do you know how many self-propelled guns the Royal Artillery has? Do you know how long our force of less than 150
tanks would last? If we lose a SINGLE F35 that is over 2% of our 5th generation fighter-bomber force. And we’re not making any replacements.
You don’t seem to be aware what poor value for money we’ve been getting for years. But apparently we don’t need any armed forces because ‘we’ve got nukes’ 🙄
@Bitmap_PLC@haynesdeborah Are you stoned? I haven’t said anything of the kind 😂
However, you might like to know that without the Defence Nuclear Enterprise Britain’s NATO defence expenditure drops from 2.3–2.4% down to roughly 1.9% of GDP, falling short of NATO's 2% baseline.
You say we’re in NATO like it’s a free insurance scheme. We have to contribute. If everyone one said ‘we’re in NATO, someone else will protect me’ there wouldn’t be a NATO. You’re basically freeloading scum who will happily let others stand in front of you to shield you but won’t offer to fight.
Spineless.
You seem confused. I don’t know where you’re getting your fantasy of UK strength from, but let me try to help you one last time: Our armed forces are a porcelain doll - small & nice to look at but vulnerable & irreplaceable. Nothing like the army we had in Germany 30 years ago, facing the Soviets. A threat that was as real then as it is now. They won’t invade Europe with massed tank armies like they planned then - they’ll destabilise bordering democracies & amplify pro-Russian voices, claiming prejudice. Then they’ll create separatist movements & back them with ‘militias’ formed from incognito Russian regular forces, exactly as they did in Donbas. At some point that becomes war, but below the threshold for a nuclear response. We are not ready for that war. We spaffed the money on nukes & expensive short term fixes. We would last a fortnight, maybe a month tops, & cannot depend or expect the US cavalry to come riding over the hill to save us.
We have no mass, no depth, no staying power: We’re fucked.
@Bitmap_PLC@haynesdeborah Our 2% includes the nuclear deterrent. The UK currently spends approximately 18% to 20% of its total defence budget on the Defence Nuclear Enterprise, so our NATO contribution is piss poor. But you’re probably pleased about that as you like the taste of Putin’s dick.
@Bitmap_PLC@haynesdeborah So are you saying we need decent investment, or we just need nukes? Because this 👇 is saying you don’t understand how defence works.
@Bitmap_PLC@haynesdeborah We can’t meet our NATO commitments. We are 31st out of 32 countries. Only Iceland, which doesn’t have an army, is worse.
https://t.co/7M2Wep7XOh
We need to get out of this mindset that wars are won by soldiers alone. They're won by supply chains, factories and the country behind them.
That's the conversation we need to have.
@Bitmap_PLC@haynesdeborah ??? You’re making a huge assumption about my politics with no evidence 😂
Still, you’re contradicting yourself: apparently all we need are nukes 🤷♂️
You can’t even argue in good faith. Just jog on, you utter gape.
@Bitmap_PLC@haynesdeborah You say the nukes protect us. So are we in NATO, helping, or not? If yes, what are we contributing? We can’t just be members & say “we’re OK, we’ve got the bomb but we can’t actually help you fight”.
Again, you show your complete and utter failure to understand that nukes only protect against a nuclear attack. They’re useless against sub-threshold (grey-zone) warfare, like Russia has been waging for 20 years, & useless against a limited attack in the Baltics, along the lines of 2014. They haven’t stopped Russian subs or spy ships operating off our coast or shut down GPS jamming around Kaliningrad. We need them, yes, but they’re not a replacement for decent armed forces.
It does raise an interesting question. If the HE shells of 2pdr & 6pdr guns were not considered worthwhile, & even 75mm HE was better than the 17pdr equivalent, what FS advantage does today’s CTA 40mm HE give against infantry targets? We seem to be perhaps looking at more precisely aimed neutralisation fire, given the smaller burst radius, rather than the suppressive effect of the larger charges in WW2, or more rounds needed on target for the same effect.