Michael

An Eastern Orthodox Christian and Icon of God seeking to set the record straight on Christian Iconography.

For clarity, I am not Michael Garten.

[Michael @iconsofgod]

@gavinortlund Final/ This covers only one single instance of a clear misattribution.
For a more comprehensive treatment of the problems with Dr. Ortlund’s icon material, see my Substack series:
https://t.co/pA3fbHOpY6

This thread's information is recorded on Part 4 of the series.

[Michael @iconsofgod]

1/ Since allegations of @gavinortlund misrepresenting sources have surfaced again, I figured I would point out a misattribution he made over two years ago that everyone missed.

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In his 20 May 2024 video “Icon Veneration is STILL an Accretion” ~1:04:50, he says this...

[Michael @iconsofgod]

@gavinortlund 10/
Not only did Ortlund wrongly attribute a statement to Jensen, he attributed a statement to Jensen that she fundamentally disagreed with & explicitly challenged later in the same chapter.

[Michael @iconsofgod]

@StephenBoyce333 @Alex_Ortodoxie @gavinortlund It reminds me of the problems with his icon polemics from a couple years ago.
https://t.co/pA3fbHNS8y

[Michael @iconsofgod]

@CovenantReform2 @CovenantReform2, I've given you a few days now. Have you found:
1. A peer-reviewed source (other than your WTJ article) stating the Dura baptistery was a bathroom?
2. A statement from me on Dura?

[Michael @iconsofgod]

@CovenantReform2,
You made two claims here. Substantiate both please:

1. Cite a peer-reviewed source (other than your WTJ article) stating the Dura baptistery was a bathroom.
2. Quote where I claimed Dura's decorations are icons.

[John B. Carpenter @CovenantReform2]

@iconsofgod @Alex_Ortodoxie @momentomorinw @ShanePaisios @ScriptoriumP @IndianaBrunner @Michael__Garten And I'm right. And you are still trying to lie by suggesting that decorations are icons.

[Michael @iconsofgod]

@CovenantReform2 @CovenantReform2, are you going to substantiate your claims with actual quotes?

[Michael @iconsofgod]

@HwsEleutheroi at 45:53: "John Damascene, Theodore the Studite, Patriarch Nikephoros... struggled to try to make heads or tails out of the definition that was given at N2."
-When did John Damascene repose?
-When was N2?
-How could he struggle with N2's decree if he was reposed?

[Michael @iconsofgod]

@Craig_Truglia @HwsEleutheroi @gavinortlund Final/ These persistent misrepresentations of the Council of Frankfurt need to stop.

For a more detailed discussion of the Franks, and why Protestants should stop using them in their anti-EO polemics, see my Substack article "An Outright Break With Rome"
https://t.co/duSMzQlGct

[Michael @iconsofgod]

/1 In his debate with @Craig_Truglia, @HwsEleutheroi cited the 794 Council of Frankfurt as if it claimed that Nicaea 2 failed to "remain content with the teachings of the ancient fathers".

This is not a statement attributable to Frankfurt.

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[Michael @iconsofgod]

@Craig_Truglia @HwsEleutheroi 5/ This is a clear textual misattribution on White's part. He is not the first Protestant to falsely attribute a statement from the Opus to the Council of Frankfurt.
Martin Chemnitz did it in the 16th century.
Andrew Messmer did it in 2022.
@gavinortlund did it multiple times.