Into The Creode

using active inference to build simple, artificial organisms - right now I’m into ants!

[Into The Creode @intothecreode]

@gualtieropicc Sure, sounds right

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@gualtieropicc Well yeah… but I thought your whole original thread was on the question how information could be stored molecularly, and that attractor networks are still the better explanation of PI? Of course an attractor network is also a molecular process but that’s not the point here?

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@gualtieropicc Path integration

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@gualtieropicc Its not recurrent activity since that’d have been eliminated fully due to loss of electrical activity, and its not synaptic weight changes either, since then anaesthesia would have had no impact on the home vector. Thats why they’re speculating on a third (molecular option).

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@gualtieropicc I’m no representationalist but this paper is very relevant in this debate on synaptic vs molecular memory in path integration: https://t.co/cUqLfKoSgn

Cold anaesthesia on ants did not completely disrupt their vector memory, which is hard to reconcile with attractor networks

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@DioVicen Or changing your theory! Didn't many of the predictive brainers end up trying to formulate their theories in an ecological-enactive way?

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@DioVicen I don't know much about Tolman besides his work on rats' maze solving and coining cognitive maps. Doesn't that seem like a difficult (quite representational) concept to reconcile with ecopsy?

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@C_A_Bakker What would that imply concretely, e.g. in the case of trying to replicate path integration in insects? In the Webb paper they use a rate based ANN, would you move away from that? I'm trying to come up with more ecopsy/enactive model but I'm struggling

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@C_A_Bakker There's a paper by Barbara Webb on path integration similar to ants https://t.co/7Dj1EdEJ51 whose work usually emphasises embodiedness, which uses representational terms now. What do you think an affordance based explanation would look like at such a low level of explanation?