Sam Widmer

Reformed Christian husband and father, living in the Pacific Northwest and working in tech.

The handle is a reference to Isa 5:20-21

[Sam Widmer @isa52021]

#ORpol #ORleg
Liberty and Bodily Autonomy are the exact same concept. Have you considered how drastically the argument changes if you replace Bodily Autonomy with Liberty in the context of an abortion discussion? We fully understand the wrongness of using our liberty to harm others, but with bodily autonomy it's not only acceptable but justification for the harm.

[Sam Widmer @isa52021]

@Jack41Uk @autocorrect2_0 Piercing hands and feet isn't part of crucifixion?

[Sam Widmer @isa52021]

Except giving them food (nutrients) is exactly what is happening. The things transferred are the nutrients not parts of the mothers body. This also continues well after birth. Tell me, if a woman without access to formula refuses to breast fed her newborn what do you think would happen?

[Sam Widmer @isa52021]

@HwsEleutheroi Better in the kitchen floor than in the middle of your bed. Looked the poor thing exploded.

[Sam Widmer @isa52021]

Sure your position is that some humans are more human than other humans and you assign rights accordingly. Only you didn't actually articulate that anywhere because actually saying that plainly leaves open the obvious question. Why should we use your subjective standard of what gets counted as a human instead of the concise objective standard that includes all humans? Why do you draw the lines where you do?

[Sam Widmer @isa52021]

Again donation involves the physical transfer of blood or tissue. That simply does not happen in pregnancy. Leeched, is an interesting term. They obviously do not suck up the mother's blood and ingest it. Instead they use what the mother's body offers them. Seems like you are trying for a play on emotion rather than an accurate description.

[Sam Widmer @isa52021]

@imsodamnhappy @iwolf6645 @LifeNewsHQ No not a joke, but I did stop taking you seriously back at the strong work comment.

[Sam Widmer @isa52021]

I don't conflate them, I equate them. I do so because that is what the words mean. Person, individual human. They are individual humans. Personhood, condition of being an individual person. They meet this too. All these definitions clearly apply. If you are using your own definition for these terms you need to tell me why I should accept yours. I don't dispute the woman's rights, I do question your seeming inconsistent application of rights for the child she carries.

[Sam Widmer @isa52021]

@imsodamnhappy @iwolf6645 @LifeNewsHQ You already agreed they were all human, not potential humans. Just as you agreed humans have rights. So were you wrong then or now?

[Sam Widmer @isa52021]

@BB_Skeptical @_LauraKlassen Probably, if you have something in mind. I'm down to discuss it.

[Sam Widmer @isa52021]

@iwolf6645 @imsodamnhappy @LifeNewsHQ So we're back tracking all the way back to 'potential person' now. Even you used to agree the unborn child has bodily autonomy Joey. I'm starting to think Ragnar's argument isn't quite as well thought out as he believes. I'm sure he's looking forward to you helping out.

[Sam Widmer @isa52021]

No, the blood is physically taken from them and put into someone else, but that's not how pregnancy works. So the we don't force people to give blood concept doesn't apply. Sure, nutrients and oxygen are shared with the child she is carrying, but that is it. You do in fact go to jail if you refuse to feed your kids.