@DGPsalm3 @AtheistTakes I even follow this athiest account because it’s interesting hearing takes against Christianity, but most are so “how do we get here?” Like this take. Great breakdown my brother in Christ
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman No offense taken. My question was, “if u had the evidence, THAT he was real(not if he’d answer all your prayers, but JUST if he was lord & risen)..would u surrender your life to follow him?” Let that marinate. That’s my final thoughts. God bless my brother in Christ ✝️
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman So if u wouldn’t even turn to god regardless of evidence, then why even debate about it if(correct me if wrong) it’s just a prejudice. Try god for a week, true shot. James 4:8 is a promise man. Just speak freely in prayer, let every word fly. Just trust me on this. James 4:8. 🫶
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman I think ironically this is where we disagree. I’m truly open to throw away my relationship with Jesus if I saw enough evidence to show that he isn’t Lord. But u have to ask yourself, if u saw the evidence in favor of him...would u submit to him or stay in your ways?
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman But..I believe that it’s not an evidence argument, it’s a heart argument. I love debating a lot, but it sounds like your side is needing god to be wrong. If u wanna go more we can talk on insta(Jason.gunn234), but I feel like we’re going in circles of just deny deny deny from u.
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman Plus I believe it did get fulfilled to be pierced. Jim Caviezel had a hard time memorizing his lines, much easier crucifixtion than Jesus got, yet Jesus was reciting Psalm 22 on the cross? That’s insane. It gets to a point where the debate against it just becomes nonsensical
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman It’s because of a single letter in ancient Hebrew that they have it either being they pierced my hands and feet or mauled my hands and feet. It’s about the context. Why are we even disregarding the eye witnesses to Jesus’s ressurection
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman If they followed an agenda, what agenda would that be? Because you have secular reports of the empty tomb and no find for the body from the apostles when they searched for it. If the Roman’s knew they had the body they would’ve dragged it out. But they didn’t, jesus is alive
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman And im saying no edits, because it’s not the same. An edit that would make it false is the rewriting of stories to fit an agenda. Those did not happen. Psalm 22 is still seen as pierced because lions maul my hands and feet didn’t make sense contextually.
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman + no agenda. You can find the earliest versions of Hebrew of the Dead Sea scrolls and have it same meaning of the books we have now. You’re arguing over pierced or dug into my hands or feet but either way 1000 years before Jesus and predicted crucified.
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman There are over 24,000 manuscripts on just the New Testament which is 27/66 books and can be cross referenced with earlier versions and have no edits. And psalm 22:16 have either pierced or dug my hands and my feet. It’s not crazy differences.
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman Could you give some examples so we can address them so we can understand each others sides better?
100%. It’s very damning evidence in my eyes but you’d literally have to be dumb to just base it off of them, I agree on that. Still evidence, not end all be all tho.
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman + one more srry i LOVE talking abt god. But another is Isaiah 53. Predicted suffering servant. Even predicted he’d be sinless. 53:9 no deceit in mouth. Jews believe that’s Israel but Isaiah was saying the Jews were saying lies. So it wasn’t about Israel, it was another prophecy.
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman + no other religion has an empty tomb with people claiming to see a risen version of that man and die for it so gruesomely the apostles did(Bartholemew got skinned). Zechariah 12:10 is another Jesus prophecy, even said 1st born son(hinting at Christ(son of god))
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman + sorry, character limit. One more before I want to read ur reply. But also it was written not many years after it all went down. Years later yes but same lifetime as the people regarded in it that they could’ve argued against it, but didn’t.
@Billy9993175129@Biblicalman There’s evidence that proves the Bible is accurate and unchanged. Dead Sea scrolls shows prophecies. Gospels are witness accounts. And non-Bible writings like Jocephus show Christian prosecution for believing he was ressurected written during the same time
@1_JesusChrist_@Biblicalman Romans 2:29, we are all Jews through Christ. In the Bible you see son of blank, historically adoptions worked to for tribes in the Bible. So were adopted by Christ to be part of Judah. WE’RE ALL SAVED!! 😃 god bless my brother in Christ
@DylanDan1998@Biblicalman James 4:8, draw near to god and he’ll draw near to you. Truly give him a chance. Don’t listen to false Christian’s, listen to Christ. Give him a shot and pray for his presence for 1 week and see what happens