@zach_sloter@ProvisionistP Only if you choose not to use all angles presented of the word draw. Notice that your argument hinges on two flimsy things, that is:
1. what the word people means (nations or plainly “all”)
2. conditions of “drawing” are exclusively defined in John 6 & not extrapolated in 12.
@767Aviatrix@ProvisionistP Those are based in the scriptural references referenced here other than the third which is based in 2 Peter 3:9 and your mischaracterization of the argument is a disservice to the mind you have.
@thetruthisherel@ProvisionistP God is not a weak god, he does not need people’s permission to save them, yet He designed and gives them a free will and draws them in Christ to freely come to him rather than be puppeteered into kissing His feet.
Don’t be disingenuous to what is said.
@767Aviatrix@ProvisionistP Maybe the scripture he referenced is refuting your line of thinking surrounding these verses.
1 All men are drawn by Jesus resurrection.
2 Jesus will never drive them away, but our own hearts can.
3 Is God’s will that none should perish? Yet we perish for lack of knowledge.
@BTCJohnnyB@ProvisionistP The reason this is brought up is that the word “draw” in Calvinism’s systematic is exclusively referred to as something only the elect receive because of proof texts like John 6:44, but this text kind of disproves the exclusivity Cals claim if the same greek is used.
@altobelli_mark@rootcausesleuth Sometimes people who are very intelligent don’t know when to stop expanding on an idea. A big plain truth is often made more profound because “of course it is”. Yet often what is on the page is quite simple.
Sometimes the answer is what is most plain and requires no systematic.
@CalamityAverted@ProvisionistP I get the perception, but if you’ve spent any time in Calvinist circles, it’s often communicated in passing as the only truly biblical way to look at God’s glory, sovereignty, and love. I think what you’re seeing in provisionism is years of disillusionment being made clear.