@cath_menarion Bound to happen. Everyone tends to defend there own position. Sometimes less judgement is the better option. I think is is obvious that when this happened last time it lead to good things in the Church.
@BackwardsFeet What is the 'authentic magisterium'?
This statement from Pope Francis.
"The pluralism and the diversity of religions, colour, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom"
If I cannot accept that God wills false religions what does that make me?
@ModernBoethius@BreeSolstad Which article of the SSPX profession of faith do you think conflicts with the Catholic position?
I would think it makes it clear to the authorities what the position is. Very useful.
@ellymelly That is what the Liberals said. Same thing with safe schools, race issues, trans, Covid etc.
Is it acceptable to dismember children who are pre-born? The answer is clearly no. Achieving an end to this barbarity is a true good for society.
The only question is one of strategy.
@Xtopher_Uzo@wchenderson9 You have identifed the problem. When given the choice Rome has move to crush those who are wanting the TLM and the traditional practice of the faith. They will refuse to ordain the priests and game over. Look at the example of the Fransicans of the Immaculate.
@ninetyftaway2@EricRSammons It can be judged against what the Church has consistantly taught previously.
When he appears to contradict what was previously taught, he needs to be clear to ensure the wrong interpretation is not the outcome.
These are the convesations the SSPX is trying to have.
@ninetyftaway2@EricRSammons I used to think it would be impossible for the Pope to condone Conteception. Yet Pope Francis did during the zika virus scare. He allowed communion for adulterers.
I don't need to wait for another Pope to tell me this is a scandal.
Your position is to remain silent?
@ninetyftaway2@EricRSammons You seem to believe the Pope can do anything he likes without regard to what came before him to the point of contradiction.
The Pope is a Guardian of the faith not it's inventor or a dictator.
If he or an angel from heaven should preach a new gospel. Let him be anathama.
@ninetyftaway2@EricRSammons No they seek approval. They maintain the faith as it was consistantly taught up until the 2nd Vatican Council because it has proven to be a total failure in it's stated goals. This is a service to the Church one day they will be thanked for it.
@ninetyftaway2@EricRSammons They come to Rome everytime they are summoned
Have engaged in serious doctrinal discussions. Requested an audience with the Pope to explain societies situation, no doubt the need for bishop's to continue their work.
They do great work
It's a shame the Pope refused to see them
@ninetyftaway2@EricRSammons Think of the Pope as your father. Do you owe him obedience?
Are there limits?
The question with the Pope is what are the limits?Can he change the faith?
What if by his actions he shows approval toward false religions or communion for those living in adultery?
Should you follow?
@ninetyftaway2@EricRSammons The Guarantees around Papal Infallibility are very limited. He is the Vicar of Christ and deserves to be treated as the Holy father. But he is not inherently more or less othodox than the rest of the bishops.
We hope they would choose the best man. But there are no guarantees
@ninetyftaway2@EricRSammons This is the issue with having conversations with those who condemn the SSPX.
There is no attempt to discuss the issues. Just whatever the Pope says goes even if he contradicts his predecessors.
This thinking is like a protestant mockery of Papal unfalliablity.
Easy but wrong.
@ninetyftaway2@EricRSammons The intention was clearly to force it to an end.
By only allowing old priests to say it because they were deemed to old to be re-educated is not evidence in your favour.
The Agatha Christi indult was a response to bad P.R. from high profile complaints about it's abolition.