A lot of men more to the right may recoil at my characterization of this phenomenon, but this is ultimately a case of "not what you said, but how you said it".
I take this from a personal experience in a similar situation, but outside a political or theological context. 🧵 1/
Being in conservative spaces (theologically, culturally, or politically) today and living in an "elite" area means that there is a *constant* skepticism from those on the right toward the way you say things, the people you are friends with, perceived "elitism" in clothing, hobbies, speech, etc. It's exhausting, because you feel like you are just constantly having to explain yourself or prove that you aren't some kind of secret progressive subversive or something.
Do you actually *want* the culture to move in a positive direction? Or do you just want to air your constant grievances against places and people that you don't like? Because if the message you're giving is just: cities are bad, academia is bad, having high taste is bad, speaking with nuance is bad, etc. all you are going to do is continue to alienate all of those people who are in places and positions of greatest cultural influence.
As I have pointed out before (in the realm of politics) if you examine voting records, this is demonstrable in influential areas of the northeast. Look at the two wealthiest towns in CT, for example: New Canaan, and Greenwich. New Canaan voted overwhelmingly Republican in every presidential election since 1968 until 2016. And the difference is overwhelming. The record in Greenwich is the same (with the single exception of 2008) until 2016, where the Republican candidate only managed to get 36% of the votes.
Not only does the left incentivize people in influential institutions to support them, but the current right essentially *deincentivizes* them from being part of conservative movements, because they will always be looked at with skepticism, and their culture will always be seen as "elitist" and therefore inherently leftist.
@OpStCyprian Wouldn’t be surprised if the claims are substantiated.
While I’m not opposed to some of their critiques of modern Western Christianity, I’ve never found their particular theology or philosophical perspective compelling enough to me
@Trutown@Cernovich This is the most slop argument out there against the Reformation. You can find people doing their own interpretation, but Luther especially among many of the first reformers weren’t offering their own interpretations but rather quoting back prior church fathers and teachings
Hmm yes, very interesting.
Now let’s review the historical record, any other countries with a dominant religion to specifically enshrine religious freedom?
@RazorFist Might be true, yet without the public support to put in the military effort to topple said regime, them’s the breaks.
We currently aren’t in position to get enough people convinced to make that leap and just declare war, so it must be let be
@exanxc Wonderful, Lutherans don’t believe the Eucharist is just a symbol. They affirm Baptism saves. Sola Scriptura isn’t a term you’ll find in early church but Lutherans will make the case they practiced an anologous formulation in using quotes from scripture to support their arguments
@marklevinshow Well probably because Turkey is in NATO Mark. I agree that probably isn’t a great idea, but welcome to geopolitics.
It is seldom cleanly divided between good guys and bad guys unfortunately
I’m not saying it would be my desired ideal, but I would like to point out that the OG Taliban DID in fact win back their country
Probably not the best selling point if you’re proclaiming this a cautionary statement
Con Inc, from George W Bush to your favorite Fox News blowhard, has been functionally open borders for decades
They destroyed the careers of anyone who pointed out that changing the ethnic composition of the country would change its culture and politics
Now they are apoplectic because the policies they promoted turned America into a 3rd world Marxist country
Spare me
This is like a Democrat complaining about crime after calling for the abolition of the police
I’m not saying it would be my desired ideal, but I would like to point out that the OG Taliban DID in fact win back their country
Probably not the best selling point if you’re proclaiming this a cautionary statement
I very much disagree with the Dispensationalists and am concerned their views cloud opinions about the Middle East
Also, Muslim domination of the Middle East has been a scourge since the initial conquests with whom you almost always must negotiate with at point of sword
Those dispies man. They invented Zionism and love Jews more than Jesus. They are the reason we go to war in the Middle East.
Those Muslims man. They protect Christian holy sites. They love Jesus. They’re not the real enemy.
I’m a smart person.
The madness of modern gender discourse.
Women mate horizontally and up. But also, we can’t have women earn less. But also, men have to earn more. But also, we can’t have a wage gap. But also, women won’t lower their standards, because, you see, women mate horizontally and up.
It’s been fifteen years of this. Fifteen years of gender chat-bot reset, demanding equality and hypergamy at once, demanding that we have our cake and eat it too.
Now that there is a dating crisis, Scott Galloway gets wheeled out to lecture men on “doing better” financially. I have to pretend that men like him weren’t all complaining about the “wage gap” seven years ago. I have to imagine he won’t complain to the government for redress in the event that young men start earning more. The cycle just keeps going and going and going.
And at no point will these mainstream people take a step back and acknowledge the cycle. They cannot understand the most simple trade off imaginable. No public “expert” will take ownership of some end-state of reality he thinks is preferable. It’s just endless blather, refusing to see that the solution they commended yesterday led to the problems of today, and their solution today will lead to similar situation tomorrow.
We are ruled by a snake endlessly eating its own tail.
Huh, well I can appreciate how Israel wouldn’t like that leverage on them much.
Probably for the best for the 2 parties to put a bit more distance between each other I guess. Give each other some space
The Iranian regime will now receive more money from this deal in a single year than Israel receives in 10 years (nearly all of which buys military equipment from American companies).
Israel is actively and aggressively focused on complete economic and military independence. It does not want to be treated as a sterling partner in war but a belittled punching bag the rest of the time. Just listen to what’s said about Israel by Democrats, Woke Reich podcasters, TV hosts, and even some of our friends.
I fear we will regret this as we grow closer to countries like Qatar, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan and go down a narrow and dark path.
As phrased here, there aren’t objections.
However it does smack to me of the same type of issues that come up with Catholics or Orthodox vs Protestants where they refer to Christ founding His church, but the specific dogmas about what that means take it to a particular meaning
Another reminder to the unititiated: Christian affection for the Jews and hope for the future of Israel has an unbroken thread across 2,000 years of Church fathers and devout laymen, going back to the apostles. It wasn't invented by dispensationalists 200 years ago.
@RazorFist I agree it’s horrific.
Perhaps not for others with axes to grind, but my concern from the outset was us coming up short some way, somehow.
We could press harder and do more, but at some point you’d need formal war declaration which I didn’t and don’t see political will for
@01_IDK_01 Without even spurring the theological debate, let’s be honest Catholic bros, it was a very “shitlib” kind of take from someone who should be wiser
Unforced controversy due to bad phrasing