Conversion to what exactly? To Catholicism or to Christ, are we not one in Christ? I care not of the barriers that separate us. Comparing worshipping Mary to the most disgusting porn is in no way disrespectful to Mary or anyone whatsoever, they are both disgusting, can we not agree on that? Worship is for God alone, I don’t care whether you believe Mary is presenting the prayers before God like the angels in Revelation or not, the honors that are given to Mary in this devotion you are defending are not hers, they are Gods and His alone. She is not the advocate, she is not saving anyone from hell, she does not deserve to be served by us. I want to find some common ground with you my brother or sister, please tell me where you stand.
This is obviously not veneration. I hold Mary to a pretty high regard, same as I do the prophets and Apostles but they do not deserve to be worshipped and did not save anyone from hell and we are not to be their servants as this devotional is saying. Veneration isn’t for me but to let my brothers and sisters fall into idolatry to defend such blasphemous nonsense is definitely not for me either, so no I will not skip this. Jesus existed long before Mary ever gave birth to him, she is but a servant of God and should not be given the honors that God has earned. If you disagree, please explain how being a “servant” to Mary, that Mary “saved him from hell”, and that she is great “mediator” is not strict and obvious idol worship when those are only honors God should hold
@ViewFromAS46610@GretchenMafiosa@joshwhitlatch He’s saying idol worship is worse than porn, everything about that devotional is blasphemy and idolatry. Which is worse than sexual immorality…this is far beyond “respect” for Mary
Matthew 4:10 “Then Jesus said to him, ‘Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve” Worship belongs to God and God alone. “Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, ‘You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.’ Revelation 19:10 Mary is but a servant of God, she deserves no worship
@Yugakhan01 I just don’t see Zoro not getting neg diffed by Shanks and no matter how you scale them, Mihawk and Shanks are relative in power. Zoro needs mastery over ACOC and Future sight to hang with them big dogs imo
@VoidLoki04 Theoretical fights like this make no sense to me, we haven’t seen Shamrock do literally anything and his portrayal is all over the place, it’s anywhere from bum like his father on GV to Shanks with DF and Immortality
I also didn’t deny Jesus being born of a woman but I also don’t deny that he was on the earth in a physical form in Genesis 18 and 19. I’m using the phrases “I think” or “I feel like” to not sound arrogant and cocky and I’m also leaving room for you to correct me with scripture but you fall to personal attacks rather than anything biblical. I’ll ask you a simple question, did Jesus exist before Mary?
You’re saying the same thing as I am. I agree with you that John is greater than not only the prophets, but all those born of women. The Greek word used for “greater than” encompasses higher authority, power, and glory. And we have to take the whole Bible into context to make sure we’re not making an idol out of Mary. Matthew 12:48-50 speaks on this. Are you insinuating that Mary is sinless?
@Heiserprospekt@_ghanaprince@redeemed_zoomer Yes I agree that John was also the greatest prophet but that doesn’t exclude the fact that Jesus included all those born of women, not just the prophets.
@Heiserprospekt@_ghanaprince@redeemed_zoomer It’s more complex than you’re making it. Yes he was born of a woman but he also existed long before any woman. Thats why I’m saying he’s the exception.
@Heiserprospekt@_ghanaprince@redeemed_zoomer Jesus existed in flesh long before Mary gave birth to him as a baby, check out Genesis 18-19. I think Jesus is the exception in his statement about those born of women. But that’s my opinion, I’d love to know more about the claim that Mary is greater than John
I’ve always been under the impression that Garp and Roger were near equals the whole time. They both continued to get stronger until Roger’s execution. Crocus said that Roger’s sickness didn’t affect his strength so their primes were definitely way past God Valley. With all that said Roger=Garp=Rocks at GV and once Rocks died his strength was surpassed by Roger and Garp and even after 8 years of building strength, Garp still trained to defeat Chinjao. Yeah I guess fighting styles matter but not in this case at all, it’s not like Loki not being to be to see Imu or anything like that so I don’t see how fighting styles matter in this instance